Hi guys, anyone have an itinerary on when obama will accomplish something?

[Dan]

Hiya Dan!! It's good to see you too!!! You still fishing?

not so much fishing lately ,but I got did get back into photography and a college class.

[Roody]

who exactly is he trying to serve?

The American people. He may not be serving your needs, but there is plenty of people that he is. For that matter so does every President. Some are pleased with what one would do for the most part and some aren't.

[Roody]

WHOA, WHoa,whoa! what makes you think you can come in this forum, that's half asleep, practically dead, 7days of threads on the first page and rattle the monkeys cages getting them all riled up! I mean, sheesh, and then here you come with your threads and stuff!

BTW, ole barry is leading the charge in imploding the democrat party. As soon as that is done, then you can say he's really accomplished something.


TeeHee.

Never seen a person enjoy the implosion of his own party more then you Xpunge.

[Sarahnn]

The American people. He may not be serving your needs, but there is plenty of people that he is. For that matter so does every President. Some are pleased with what one would do for the most part and some aren't.

Who are all these people you speak of that he has served? What has he done? What has been accomplished? How is America a better place?

I think those are fair questions.

[Sarahnn]

not so much fishing lately ,but I got did get back into photography and a college class.

You're always into something...that's really good to hear...

[Roody]

Who are all these people you speak of that he has served? What has he done? What has been accomplished? How is America a better place?

I think those are fair questions.

Democrats mainly. Take a look at the polling numbers. He has made in-roads in Pakistan as has been noted by news organizations, his Administration has seen the arrest of numerous high level Al-Qaeda operatives etc....

As for America you guys have to be patient. Deny it all you want, but he took over a mess of a situation that Bush left him. Two wars, a serious, serious deficit. It's going to take time to resolve all of that. I mean come on everyone. This crap is ridiculous. Giving any President less then 3 years is just ensuring that someone has no desire to give a President any time at all. You can NOT overhaul a government the way you see fit in any less time then that.

That's why I am so annoyed at the partisanship of people. It was 2003 before I ever started giving Bush serious grief. Same for Clinton and down the road.

[Sarahnn]

Democrats mainly. Take a look at the polling numbers. He has made in-roads in Pakistan as has been noted by news organizations, his Administration has seen the arrest of numerous high level Al-Qaeda operatives etc....

Well, Let me dispel that myth from the get go. Obama is using all the tactics and legislation, such as the Patriot Act that Bush initiated after 9/11to continue the war on terrorism.

As for America you guys have to be patient. Deny it all you want, but he took over a mess of a situation that Bush left him. Two wars, a serious, serious deficit. It's going to take time to resolve all of that. I mean come on everyone.

Don't you think that obama blaming bush for all his woes as President is rather petty and shows how really small a man obama is? The buck hasn't stopped at Obama's desk yet. Even when a republican was voted in to replace Ted Kennedy in a Democrat stronghold , obama blamed bush. I mean, come on.

This crap is ridiculous. Giving any President less then 3 years is just ensuring that someone has no desire to give a President any time at all. You can NOT overhaul a government the way you see fit in any less time then that.

It's interesting you use the term "overhaul government". There is nothing wrong with our Government that requires overhauling. The Government itself is strong, albeit in need of constant maintenance.

That's why I am so annoyed at the partisanship of people. It was 2003 before I ever started giving Bush serious grief. Same for Clinton and down the road.

We were attacked on 9/11/01 and Bush led us out of the ensuing morass. NO ONE criticized him when we needed strong leadership.

So, Roody, is it possible that the community organizer, President Obama is not equipped to lead this country as it faces the challenges of the 21st Century? And is it really that much of a disgrace for the Democrats to admit that?

[TonyT]

As for America you guys have to be patient. Deny it all you want, but he took over a mess of a situation that Bush left him. Two wars, a serious, serious deficit. It's going to take time to resolve all of that. I mean come on everyone. This crap is ridiculous. Giving any President less then 3 years is just ensuring that someone has no desire to give a President any time at all. You can NOT overhaul a government the way you see fit in any less time then that.

This idea that it takes a long time to get something done is a lie that permeates our society. It was made up by those who don't want to see change occur. It is designed to thwart any forward progress, manifests itself with what we refer to as 'red tape'.

But the truth is it's a lie. It doesn't have to take a long time to do anything (except maybe space travel). And that takes a long time for lack of technology, not a lack of incentive or desire.

The so called mess each administration must handle is just a part of the plan to thwart progress. This pattern has existed since prior to the Civil War.

Our current financial mess is the worst in American history, far worse than the Great Depression. Politicians did not create this mess, but they contributed to it.

To those that believe otherwise, to those that believe that politicians have the power to change the scene, I encourage you to study history, the real history, not the stuff of Fox News or American school textbooks, but the truth about how govt works.

So long as monies are managed and controlled by private corporations, and since govts depend on money as its prime source of energy, we will have bought and paid for govts. who do what they are told to do.

Obama won't get anything effective accomplished, esp in the zone of health care. This whole health care issue is just a smokescreen anyway. Sure, it needs reform, but it's still a smokescreen, designed to mask the real crap that is going on...the financial rape of the workingman, man's inhumanity to man (war), mass drugging and dumbing-down of the population via big pharm and the APA/WFMH, rising crime stats & illiteracy caused by perverted public edu system.

Remember that news in the seventies when it was discovered that the Pentagon purchased hammers at 10 grand/each? That type of criminal management has not stopped, it goes on daily here in DC and at state levels too. THAT is what needs reform. THAT is what needs to be changed. Change THAT mentality and we can then begin to see change for the better in our society.

[Roody]

Well, Let me dispel that myth from the get go. Obama is using all the tactics and legislation, such as the Patriot Act that Bush initiated after 9/11to continue the war on terrorism.

Not a myth it's a fact.

Don't you think that obama blaming bush for all his woes as President is rather petty and shows how really small a man obama is? The buck hasn't stopped at Obama's desk yet. Even when a republican was voted in to replace Ted Kennedy in a Democrat stronghold , obama blamed bush. I mean, come on.

So did you criticize Bush when he did the same thing regarding Clinton?

It's interesting you use the term "overhaul government". There is nothing wrong with our Government that requires overhauling. The Government itself is strong, albeit in need of constant maintenance.

Agree to disagree. There is a TON of things that requires overhaul.

We were attacked on 9/11/01 and Bush led us out of the ensuing morass.

Forgive the bluntness, but that is highly naive thinking. He didn't lead us out of anything. Bin Laden is still on the loose and we still have a mess in Afghanistan and Iraq.

So, Roody, is it possible that the community organizer, President Obama is not equipped to lead this country as it faces the challenges of the 21st Century? And is it really that much of a disgrace for the Democrats to admit that?

With all due respect I think you have no desire to give the man any chance and that's clouding your thinking. That's a popular way to do things around here. There is only a few members on SG who have shown themselves to have a history of angling for both sides (Paft, Jawz, David, YoSC, YoS and myself to name a few).

In answer to your question I think Obama tried to do to much his first year.

[Roody]

This idea that it takes a long time to get something done is a lie that permeates our society.

It was made up by those who don't want to see change occur. It is designed to thwart any forward progress, manifests itself with what we refer to as 'red tape'.

But the truth is it's a lie. It doesn't have to take a long time to do anything (except maybe space travel). And that takes a long time for lack of technology, not a lack of incentive or desire.

The so called mess each administration must handle is just a part of the plan to thwart progress. This pattern has existed since prior to the Civil War.

Our current financial mess is the worst in American history, far worse than the Great Depression. Politicians did not create this mess, but they contributed to it.

To those that believe otherwise, to those that believe that politicians have the power to change the scene, I encourage you to study history, the real history, not the stuff of Fox News or American school textbooks, but the truth about how govt works.

So long as monies are managed and controlled by private corporations, and since govts depend on money as its prime source of energy, we will have bought and paid for govts. who do what they are told to do.

Obama won't get anything effective accomplished, esp in the zone of health care. This whole health care issue is just a smokescreen anyway. Sure, it needs reform, but it's still a smokescreen, designed to mask the real crap that is going on...the financial rape of the workingman, man's inhumanity to man (war), mass drugging and dumbing-down of the population via big pharm and the APA/WFMH, rising crime stats & illiteracy caused by perverted public edu system.

If you think something as slow moving as Government can be overhauled in a short period of time then I most definitely disagree.

I do think the SC voting that limits didn't need to be put in effect on Corporate donations is an absolute killer to any chance the average American will get heard. Now all any politician has to do is cater to a select few groups and all is well. Regardless of your party affiliation that is a bad, bad thing.

[Sarahnn]

Thanks for your reply, Roody. Couple of points.

Not a myth it's a fact.

Its a fact that obama cannot take any credit for what Bush put into motion after 9/11.

So did you criticize Bush when he did the same thing regarding Clinton?

Bush didn't publically berate Clinton in his official capacity as President. If he did, even one time, I'd like to hear about it.

Agree to disagree. There is a TON of things that requires overhaul.

Constitutionally, we cannot 'overhaul' our government. Constitutionally, it's not broken. That's what I was referring to.

Forgive the bluntness, but that is highly naive thinking. He didn't lead us out of anything. Bin Laden is still on the loose and we still have a mess in Afghanistan and Iraq.

No forgiveness necessary. On 9/11 we were sent into a tail spin. It was our first attack on home soil by a foreign agent ever to cause such destruction and death. Bush led us out of that and had every corner of the globe giving us support against Al Qaida. He led us out of that fateful time like a true leader. His misjudgements and failures are another subject but Bush did his job. I am thankful even as I critique his long range goals. Obama has not one time ever given Bush credit for the safety of our public against Al Qaida operatives, but consistantly demeans Bush as though America had lost a war. In fact, we are winning the war. The onus of whether or not terrorism abates in the middle east does not rest on the U.S.

With all due respect I think you have no desire to give the man any chance and that's clouding your thinking. That's a popular way to do things around here. There is only a few members on SG who have shown themselves to have a history of angling for both sides (Paft, Jawz, David, YoSC, YoS and myself to name a few).

I know this much. Obama has had a Democrat majority and he hasn't done anything domestically, or in foreign matters. Iran's threat is still looming over us, South Korea snubbed it's nose at us, unemployment is up, the economy is failing and obama doesn't have a clue about what should be done. He is latching on to his healthcare program as his only legacy, and with a majority Congress, he can't even do that right.

In answer to your question I think Obama tried to do to much his first year.

Trying to do too much is a poor excuse for being ineffectual because of wrong choices. i.e. his failed attempt at broad sweeping health reform, which has been quite unpopular, his bid to contain certain countries from nuclear proliferation and his lack of detente with China when they practically own us. And with all that, he still continues to blame Bush.

He's gotta go. We need someone in office for whom the buck really does stop at his/her desk. In my humble opinion.

[Roody]

We find ourselves with a difference of opinion Sarahnn. I know you have been on the record before stating that time is always needed to correct damages brought on by a previous administration. Hindsight like you said then is 20/20, but it doesn't make that damage any less real.

[Sarahnn]

We find ourselves with a difference of opinion Sarahnn. I know you have been on the record before stating that time is always needed to correct damages brought on by a previous administration. Hindsight like you said then is 20/20, but it doesn't make that damage any less real.

Just one thing about that. If Obama continues to look back at the problems he inherited as a reason for his lack of success, he is admitting he was not up to the job. Frankly, I don't think he is up to the job. I'll admit though, that I don't know who is at this point.

[Roody]

Just one thing about that. If Obama continues to look back at the problems he inherited as a reason for his lack of success, he is admitting he was not up to the job. Frankly, I don't think he is up to the job. I'll admit though, that I don't know who is at this point.

If he continues to dwell on that I agree with you 100% Sarahnn. Frankly I don't feel he needs to continue down that road anymore. I understood his point during his first year, but that year is over. Even though it takes time to implement those policies (more then just the first year) and make changes he doesn't need to continue to harp on it verbally all the time.

He spent his first year trying to appease to many people. I do think he made some progress, but he needs to use the power of his office better in Year 2 and going forward.

[Sarahnn]

If he continues to dwell on that I agree with you 100% Sarahnn. Frankly I don't feel he needs to continue down that road anymore. I understood his point during his first year, but that year is over. Even though it takes time to implement those policies (more then just the first year) and make changes he doesn't need to continue to harp on it verbally all the time.

He spent his first year trying to appease to many people. I do think he made some progress, but he needs to use the power of his office better in Year 2 and going forward.

It's good to hold Obama's feet to the fire. He wanted the job....he's got to deliver now.

[Roody]

It's good to hold Obama's feet to the fire. He wanted the job....he's got to deliver now.

He's no different then any other President. Ultimately, the election ends and they have to get to work.

[TonyT]

The fact that one inherits problems created by others is no excuse for not getting something done, period.

All problems are inherited from the past. A problem is a problem because at some past moment in time someone failed to do something correctly. Any problem falls into this scope. It does not matter who created the problem.

To solve any problem one must recognize the real cause of it, one must view the actual (not apparant) problem. So long as false reasons are accepted as the cause(s) then the problem will persist, it will not solve out.

A leader who knows the above and who is willing to assume responsibilty for the existing problems of our society and nation will have a tough go of it, but he would at the same time be getting valuable products. (the president does have products of his job just as a factory worker has products he is expected to produce)

All products have sub-products. For example, a factory worker has a product of "boxes of candy ready to be shipped to distributors". His sub-products are 'boxes ready to accept candy, candy itself, candy paper wrappers, etc.'

Obama has yet to produce any viable sub-products! Unless you consider "extended war" a viable product of a nation.

It is preposterous to expect any single president to reform health care. This issue will go on for many many years because health care is not an actual problem, it's an apparant problem. The real problems are health itself and the economic problems that we citizens have. If economic issue were rationally handled then health care would be a non-issue.

So long as this country's economic plans endorse rewarding those that do not produce anything viable (unemployed, welfare, etc) we will have perpetual economic strain. So long as those who do produce are penalized (heavy taxes) we will have economic problems.

So long as criminals hold elected positions we will have economic problems, for the common denomiator of criminality is 'something for nothing = reward for no production. = rip off.'

The solution to all of the above is to remove from elected office all criminals. (or rehabilitate them) This does not need to take a long time either (a few years), but it will require that voters get educated in how to detect and recognize the criminal politician. The primary barriers in accomplishing this are the corp owned media who forward false information, our psychiatric based public edu system bent on furthering illiteracy and dumbing down the population.

We could speed up the entire process with "wake up your neighbor' campaigns. Turn off the tv set and go talk to people you know. Turn off their tv sets too. Hold community discussions at local churches, community centers, schools. In short, fight back against the current corrupted system, not as revolutionaries but as 'evolutionaries'.

[Roody]

The fact that one inherits problems created by others is no excuse for not getting something done, period.

All problems are inherited from the past. A problem is a problem because at some past moment in time someone failed to do something correctly. Any problem falls into this scope. It does not matter who created the problem.

To solve any problem one must recognize the real cause of it, one must view the actual (not apparant) problem. So long as false reasons are accepted as the cause(s) then the problem will persist, it will not solve out.

A leader who knows the above and who is willing to assume responsibilty for the existing problems of our society and nation will have a tough go of it, but he would at the same time be getting valuable products. (the president does have products of his job just as a factory worker has products he is expected to produce)

All products have sub-products. For example, a factory worker has a product of "boxes of candy ready to be shipped to distributors". His sub-products are 'boxes ready to accept candy, candy itself, candy paper wrappers, etc.'

Obama has yet to produce any viable sub-products! Unless you consider "extended war" a viable product of a nation.

It is preposterous to expect any single president to reform health care. This issue will go on for many many years because health care is not an actual problem, it's an apparant problem. The real problems are health itself and the economic problems that we citizens have. If economic issue were rationally handled then health care would be a non-issue.

So long as this country's economic plans endorse rewarding those that do not produce anything viable (unemployed, welfare, etc) we will have perpetual economic strain. So long as those who do produce are penalized (heavy taxes) we will have economic problems.

So long as criminals hold elected positions we will have economic problems, for the common denomiator of criminality is 'something for nothing = reward for no production. = rip off.

Never said it was an excuse for not getting things done. I did however state that it takes time to resolve some issues.

[Debbie]

Woah!! Sarahn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[YARDofSTUF]

Woah!! Sarahn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You forgot an "n"

[Debbie]

You forgot an "n"

Nazi

[YARDofSTUF]

nazi

[Sarahnn]

Woah!! Sarahn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, pretty lady....so good to see you again. XO

[cybotron r_9]

Political trolls,

Gosh by Golly, I miss Downhill........

[blebs]

Bin Laden is still on the loose and we still have a mess in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If they really wanted him, they'd of found him by now. He's America's Barbarosa.

[Roody]

If they really wanted him, they'd of found him by now. He's America's Barbarosa.

That's obviously speculation, but If that is correct then it makes it even worse that Bush spent all that time not getting him. Honestly it would make little sense for him not to have gotten him. Bush had destroyed all the good will he had gotten after 9/11 and he could have gotten a lot of that back by capturing the face of terrorism. If what you say is correct then he was ignorant not to have done so.

[Jamie_R]

I'm waiting for obama to get something done. Any ideas out there when that will be?

as opposed to what - Bush?

Bush did accomplish quite a bit while he was in office ... went through a trillion dollar surplus like it was on fire, got us into 2 (count 'em) 2 wars, mostly to put money in his rich friends' pockets ....

there is no way ANY president would be able to dig us out of the s**tstorm we're in this quickly - maybe not in 2 administrations ....

[Sarahnn]

as opposed to what - Bush?

Bush did accomplish quite a bit while he was in office ... went through a trillion dollar surplus like it was on fire, got us into 2 (count 'em) 2 wars, mostly to put money in his rich friends' pockets ....

there is no way ANY president would be able to dig us out of the s**tstorm we're in this quickly - maybe not in 2 administrations ....

I'm not comparing obama to anyone. Either he should do something constructive or get off the pot and let someone else try. Don't you agree?

[YARDofSTUF]

I'm glad Obama has somewhat changed his mind on nuclear power at least.

[Roody]

I'm not comparing obama to anyone. Either he should do something constructive or get off the pot and let someone else try. Don't you agree?

That's completely subjective though on whether or not he is doing something constructive. Truth is if you don't like the job he does then you can base your vote on that in 2012.

[JawZ]

I'm not comparing obama to anyone. Either he should do something constructive or get off the pot and let someone else try. Don't you agree?

What??????????


If you aren't making a comparison, how do you know if the man is doing something constructive or not? What criteria are you applying? What or who established the criteria?


I think the lazy Republicans that were voted into Congress and the Senate should get off their fat asses and do something constructive. Don't you agree?

[CiscoKid]

[CENTER]UOD!
All the way in 2012![/CENTER]

[Sarahnn]

What??????????


If you aren't making a comparison, how do you know if the man is doing something constructive or not? What criteria are you applying? What or who established the criteria?

The man hasn't done anything yet. There is nothing to compare him with until he accomplishes something notable.

I think the lazy Republicans that were voted into Congress and the Senate should get off their fat asses and do something constructive. Don't you agree?

Okay, obama is blaming Bush and you blame the minority in Congress. You guys should step aside and let someone on board who is not into the blame game. This country needs some leadership immediately.

[Roody]

The man hasn't done anything yet.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/pro ... mise-kept/

[Sarahnn]

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/pro ... mise-kept/

http://politifact.com/personalities/bar ... ing/false/


Yes he did sign alot of stuff the first year and spend alot of money for special groups. The only thing I saw that was useful on a National level was his approach to our National Parks. Maybe you could point out how he has made the overall economy, unemployment, foreign affairs, or defense spending improve our Nation's progress on a global scale. If you think about it, everything he has done could be done by each State respectively.

[YARDofSTUF]

http://politifact.com/personalities/bar ... ing/false/


Maybe you could point out how he has made the overall economy, unemployment, foreign affairs, or defense spending improve our Nation's progress on a global scale. If you think about it, everything he has done could be done by each State respectively.

Well just him becoming president helped our foreign affairs a little.

And I would like to know how each state could have worked on disarming some of our nuclear weapons.

[YeOldeStonecat]

. Maybe you could point out how he has made the overall economy, unemployment, foreign affairs, or defense spending improve our Nation's progress on a global scale. If you think about it, everything he has done could be done by each State respectively.

Defense Spending....and his projected budget..including cuts being implemented in short time. Uhm...if you think about it, what state could participate in that? The states with local business and economy based on national defense...why would a state want to lose that?
My state for example, Connecticut
*Pratt and Whitney....and many other supporting companies focused on supporting them..TCI, Birken, Doncasters, and as bunch of others.(one of the larger employers of northern/eastern Hartford area)
*US Naval Sub Base of Groton ...HUGE impact on surrounding towns, it's like a whole separate town around there
*US Coast Guard Academy, New London
*Sikorsky helicopters
*Yardney Batteries...Pawcatuck
*Electric Boat....submarines...Groton (accounts for one of the largest employers in southeastern Connecticut)
*Northrop/Grumman radar, Norwalk
*Several firearms companies

I, for one, was happy to see the immediate budget of the Pentagon remain approx the same as it has during prior several years.

[Roody]

http://politifact.com/personalities/bar ... ing/false/


Yes he did sign alot of stuff the first year and spend alot of money for special groups. The only thing I saw that was useful on a National level was his approach to our National Parks. Maybe you could point out how he has made the overall economy, unemployment, foreign affairs, or defense spending improve our Nation's progress on a global scale. If you think about it, everything he has done could be done by each State respectively.

Sarahnn you are on record stating that he has done nothing yet. That has clearly been proven inaccurate. I am more then willing to discuss issues with people, but I'm not going to continue to engage in the partisanship that I spoke about earlier. If you want to concede that your remark that he has done nothing is wrong then we will be getting somewhere, but nothing ever gets done if people continue to bury their heads in the sand simply because they don't like to be proven wrong.

[JawZ]

The man hasn't done anything yet. There is nothing to compare him with until he accomplishes something notable.




Okay, obama is blaming Bush and you blame the minority in Congress. You guys should step aside and let someone on board who is not into the blame game. This country needs some leadership immediately.

The height of hypocrisy has been attained!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So you aren't comparing, you aren't blaming, you are just whining. Is that it? Like I said, come up with your own ideas or be still.


Obama will not accomplish anything. So what do you want to whine about next Sara? Who is your next target for comparing and blaming?

To end this entire thread...we'll all concede that Obama is a complete fail and won't achieve anything. Now what do you want to talk about?

[Sava700]

To end this entire thread...we'll all concede that Obama is a complete fail and won't achieve anything. Now what do you want to talk about?

wait a sec.. he did do something!!

He signed a one year extension to the Patriot Act!! Ohh wait, didn't he object to that in the past? If anything he sure does flip flop alot!

As a senator from Illinois, Barack Obama was a critic of the Patriot Act. Last week, however, the Obama administration asked the House and Senate to extend the three provisions. "The administration is willing to consider . . . ideas [for modifying the law], provided that they do not undermine the effectiveness of these important authorities," Assistant Atty. Gen. Ronald Weich said in a letter to Congress.

[INDENT]

Not only is Obama a gold medal winner in flip-flopping, not only does he lack core ideals from the Democratic side of the Democratic party, he also has no leadership skills, at least leadership for progressive values. So once again, as in health care reform and on a score of other issues, the Obama administration had a real chance to propose fundamental changes of its own to the Patriot Act, but failed to do so. Again, as in health care reform, Obama has passed the buck to Congress where, of course, he knows that nothing will happen even though his own party has overwhelming majorities in both the Senate and the House and where his own administration has effectively undercut efforts for change.

[/INDENT]

Obama proves once again he’s little more than Bush Lite. The Democrats prove once again they are little more than the second branch of the Corporate Party.

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