Cost of Drugs

[frostybear]

Frostybear,

Where do I begin....

"100K die per annum as a direct result of prescription drugs." Would you please elaborate?

Might I assume by your concern for natural illegal drugs, you are referring to cannabis? Yes, it should be decriminalized, perhaps even made legal, but do not think of it as safe. I have personally witnesses too many fine young minds eutrophied from chronic usage. Yes, the magic word, moderation.

People certainly do care whether or not the prescriptions they take will harm them. The corporations feel the same way, litigation has that effect. Consider also, even pharmaceutical CEOs get sick and die.

Psychiatrists who utilize SSRI's in their treatments understand that no one or any medication might be proper for a particular patient. Physicians should understand than no one drug works all the time, and many have side effects (especially those which are for extended treatment).

While many curse the corporate entities for their greed (deservedly so), the majority of present pharmaceutical agents either extend lives or make them more livable. I agree with TonyT (shock) that nutrition plays a vital role in the well being of a person, and with anyone suggesting self-advocacy.

<eyestrain> I will return to this later.

david

A paper written by 5 Doctors on reviewing medical peer-reviewed journals and government health statistics.

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed.htm

Has a TON of information, might make your eyes strain more On cannabis (There are other natural plants as well) I am going to have to disagree with you and say it is safe, if not one of the safest things one can consume (eat) with no toxic/lethal affects to the body. It in itself cannot kill you, this cannot be said about almost everything else (even certain foods), even water will kill you in large consumptions. There is not 1 medical death attributed to just cannabis alone, there have always been other factors at play mixing other things in.

Basically all the research shows in order to get a lethal dose one would have to consume many many many many many many pounds all at once depending on your body weight ( which is impossible ) to induce death which has not been attainable with massive ratios given to animals in testing. Now I am not advocating any use just stating the facts on the matter. Now I personally know many successful high level engineers, bankers, stock traders, real estate individuals who partake in cannabis, i'm sorry you had a bad experience with young ones. Your keyword is young, a young mind can be corrupted by ANYTHING, be it legal drugs, illegal drugs, gambling, theft, and even every day activities. It is all irrelevant and a matter of personal responsibility. But it is ok since the Pharm has made Marinol (Hatched THC for profit as it is more expensive than cannabis) It is just all a racket with unwanted competition from a plant which can help the sick.

It is a schedule I the most dangerous category. In order to attain Schedule I classification, a drug must meet three requirements: 1) high potential for abuse; 2) no accepted safety even under supervision; and most significantly, 3) no medical use.9 In placing marijuana in Schedule I, the government not only ignored cannabis' previous medical use in this country, but also overlooked the numerous experiments proving the drug's therapeutic efficacy.

It is just a matter of educating one self on such matters across the board instead of just going off what 1 official says or the media says *reefer madness* Most won't take the time to read reviews, documents, chemical analysis, studies, journals because it is boring to most, do not understand why it would be, and just go along with what everyone else says or the tube says, don't want to rock the boat now. People just accept the authority as ultimate gospel truth instead of the truth as authority.

[frostybear]

Also David I am glad for your responses to my posts in various threads, as I feel things such as this and others which may be controversial need to be discussed openly to gain a better understanding of the world around us and solutions to problems. I feel sometimes I type too much and much of what I post gets unread or skipped because of length of some of them. Some things can't be said in 1 sentence sometimes.

Much love to you

[David]

Also David I am glad for your responses to my posts in various threads, as I feel things such as this and others which may be controversial need to be discussed openly to gain a better understanding of the world around us and solutions to problems. I feel sometimes I type too much and much of what I post gets unread or skipped because of length of some of them. Some things can't be said in 1 sentence sometimes.

Much love to you

Brevity has its benefits, as long at it is concise. Time places limits on both the reader and the creator of a post.

Controversy is no stranger to the forum millieu. There is a beauty in engaging people from different locations, ethnic backgrounds, occupations, interests, ages and of course experiences. Intelligent discourse is always welcomed, especially if ad hominem can be avoided.

I will respond to the previous post as time permits.

be well my friend,
david

[frostybear]

Brevity has its benefits, as long at it is concise. Time places limits on both the reader and the creator of a post.

Controversy is no stranger to the forum millieu. There is a beauty in engaging people from different locations, ethnic backgrounds, occupations, interests, ages and of course experiences. Intelligent discourse is always welcomed, especially if ad hominem can be avoided.

I will respond to the previous post as time permits.

be well my friend,
david

I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Andrzej]

France is healthcare leader, US comes dead last: study
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/ts ... OriILZa7gF link
Tue Jan 8, 2:13 PM ET

"Measuring the Health of Nations: Updating an Earlier Analysis,"

...effective healthcare to its citizens...

The 19 countries, in order of best to worst, were:
France,
Japan,
Australia,
Austria,
Canada,
Denmark,
Finland,
Germany,
Greece,
Ireland,
Italy,
Netherlands,
New Zealand,
Norway,
Portugal,
Spain,
Sweden,
the United Kingdom
and the United States.
...
"It is notable that all countries have improved substantially
except the US,"...

[David]

France is healthcare leader, US comes dead last: study
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/ts ... OriILZa7gF link
Tue Jan 8, 2:13 PM ET.[/i]

Have you read the criteria of the study?

[David]

A paper written by 5 Doctors on reviewing medical peer-reviewed journals and government health statistics.

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed.htm

Not what I would expect from a proper journal article.

On cannabis (There are other natural plants as well) I am going to have to disagree with you and say it is safe, if not one of the safest things one can consume (eat) with no toxic/lethal affects to the body. It in itself cannot kill you, this cannot be said about almost everything else (even certain foods), even water will kill you in large consumptions. There is not 1 medical death attributed to just cannabis alone, there have always been other factors at play mixing other things in.

Basically all the research shows in order to get a lethal dose one would have to consume many many many many many many pounds all at once depending on your body weight ( which is impossible ) to induce death which has not been attainable with massive ratios given to animals in testing. Now I am not advocating any use just stating the facts on the matter. Now I personally know many successful high level engineers, bankers, stock traders, real estate individuals who partake in cannabis, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with young ones. Your keyword is young, a young mind can be corrupted by ANYTHING, be it legal drugs, illegal drugs, gambling, theft, and even every day activities. It is all irrelevant and a matter of personal responsibility. But it is ok since the Pharm has made Marinol (Hatched THC for profit as it is more expensive than cannabis) It is just all a racket with unwanted competition from a plant which can help the sick.

There was no mention of marijuana being a life threatening drug. No doubt, moderate use is fairly harmless. The problem is with daily usage and its effects on memory and personality. It is not a question of corruptibility but understanding safe boundaries. True, I spoke of my observations, but they have a very broad base and concurrence with others.

I will repeat myself.... moderation!

It is a schedule I the most dangerous category. In order to attain Schedule I classification, a drug must meet three requirements: 1) high potential for abuse; 2) no accepted safety even under supervision; and most significantly, 3) no medical use.9 In placing marijuana in Schedule I, the government not only ignored cannabis' previous medical use in this country, but also overlooked the numerous experiments proving the drug's therapeutic efficacy.

It is just a matter of educating one self on such matters across the board instead of just going off what 1 official says or the media says *reefer madness* Most won't take the time to read reviews, documents, chemical analysis, studies, journals because it is boring to most, do not understand why it would be, and just go along with what everyone else says or the tube says, don't want to rock the boat now. People just accept the authority as ultimate gospel truth instead of the truth as authority.

Not quite true. There are drugs on Schedule I with medicine properties. Heroin is a potent opiate pain reliever (Actually SCH I has a large number of medically useful opium derivatives), Methaqualone is a very effective anxiolytic with both sedative and muscle relaxant properties. Abuse history seems to hail as the most important criteria for the DEA. Do not be surprised to see Ketamine and Oxycontin join the list.

As for ignoring the therapeutic properties of marijuana, it is fairly well known that medical cannabis is grown and in experimental use. I heartily agree that it should be ubiquitous in the treatment of cancer for its antiemetic and appetite simulation properties. The problem lies, as mentioned in the previous paragraph, in abuse potential.

There is some hope that the mainstream information we receive is factual. Assume that some level of subjectivity enters the picture, however the same can be said for alternative sources. The internet has proven the point that almost any perspective can be justified, just find the data that supports it.

So what does this have to do with the cost of drugs?

[frostybear]

Not what I would expect from a proper journal article.




There was no mention of marijuana being a life threatening drug. No doubt, moderate use is fairly harmless. The problem is with daily usage and its effects on memory and personality. It is not a question of corruptibility but understanding safe boundaries. True, I spoke of my observations, but they have a very broad base and concurrence with others.

I will repeat myself.... moderation!

True, but the same could be said about other things as well which are legal. What is funny is I have also seen a very broad base of the complete opposite which has been in concurrence with others, maybe it depends on who I associate myself with though.

Not quite true. There are drugs on Schedule I with medicine properties. Heroin is a potent opiate pain reliever (Actually SCH I has a large number of medically useful opium derivatives), Methaqualone is a very effective anxiolytic with both sedative and muscle relaxant properties. Abuse history seems to hail as the most important criteria for the DEA. Do not be surprised to see Ketamine and Oxycontin join the list.

As for ignoring the therapeutic properties of marijuana, it is fairly well known that medical cannabis is grown and in experimental use. I heartily agree that it should be ubiquitous in the treatment of cancer for its antiemetic and appetite simulation properties. The problem lies, as mentioned in the previous paragraph, in abuse potential.

True, it is not ignored by all, those who are not close minded and can understand its uses, what im saying is programs like dare and mainly what the us gov has to say about it. You know the whole reefer madness never stopped, I still run into people that believe if one injests it that they will go out on killing sprees, run over girls on bikes, kill them selves, go crazy etc.. I mean some of those anti-drug ads are incredibly insane on exxageration.

There is some hope that the mainstream information we receive is factual. Assume that some level of subjectivity enters the picture, however the same can be said for alternative sources. The internet has proven the point that almost any perspective can be justified, just find the data that supports it.

True, it is up to one to research it everything they can then make their own decision though, which some find difficult to comes to terms with.

So what does this have to do with the cost of drugs?

No idea You got me there