Roody wrote:That's your right to feel that way. I will admit I don't see how you can because I believe every President needs time to implement their policies, but it's your right nonetheless.
Roody, I don't see it as a "feeling". I see it as an observation. I draw my conclusion by how much better off this country is today than it was in January 2009 when he took the helm and things are worse now. Iran is thumbing its nose at us, North Korea is acting up, Putin loves us because we won't help the rest of Europe with a defense system, unemployment is up, health care reform is a joke. I mean at least Crowley and Gates are getting along but not before obama spanked america for being so bad about our race relations. Europe loves us now but not before obama bowed to anyone who stood still for a minute, including some Mayor in Florida. He apologized to France for our arrogance, but it didn't raise any of the dead American soldiers buried a few hundred miles down the road from where he apologized. Everytime the man opens his mouth to account for his lack of success, you hear his petty excuse about how it's bushes fault.
Okay, your turn. Tell me how wonderful things are getting now because obama has been President for over a year now. And don't tell me he's only been in office for 14 months. He's had a Democratic Congress in control and he's only been given a total of four years under our Constitution anyway!!
Sarahnn wrote:Hi David, good to hear from you!! okay....Ohhhhh (nooooo), bama. How's that?
To illustrate you sentiment, terrific. Might be a bit cumbersome in discussion.
good to see you,
d
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Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
Sarahnn wrote:Roody, I don't see it as a "feeling". I see it as an observation. I draw my conclusion by how much better off this country is today than it was in January 2009 when he took the helm and things are worse now. Iran is thumbing its nose at us, North Korea is acting up, Putin loves us because we won't help the rest of Europe with a defense system, unemployment is up, health care reform is a joke. I mean at least Crowley and Gates are getting along but not before obama spanked america for being so bad about our race relations. Europe loves us now but not before obama bowed to anyone who stood still for a minute, including some Mayor in Florida. He apologized to France for our arrogance, but it didn't raise any of the dead American soldiers buried a few hundred miles down the road from where he apologized. Everytime the man opens his mouth to account for his lack of success, you hear his petty excuse about how it's bushes fault.
Okay, your turn. Tell me how wonderful things are getting now because obama has been President for over a year now. And don't tell me he's only been in office for 14 months. He's had a Democratic Congress in control and he's only been given a total of four years under our Constitution anyway!!
Honestly, I view this stuff differently then you. I believe every President should be given 3 years at least before writing them off as a failure. That's what I did with Bush after voting for him in 2000. Get back to me in two years and I will answer your question further. For now I am optimistic on some things and not so much on others.
Roody wrote:Honestly, I view this stuff differently then you. I believe every President should be given 3 years at least before writing them off as a failure. That's what I did with Bush after voting for him in 2000. Get back to me in two years and I will answer your question further. For now I am optimistic on some things and not so much on others.
Well, at least we agree that he's done nothing America can be grateful for.....yet.
And we know he is a petty man for turning the Gates/Crowley affair into a racial issu and blaming Bush for challenges that he should readily accept as President and not find a whipping boy to make excuses.
When Obama was first elected, I was very proud of this country for electing the first Black President. I have been let down too many times by this small-time community organizer. I've lost hope.
Sarahnn wrote:Well, at least we agree that he's done nothing America can be grateful for.....yet.
No we don't agree on that and I never said anything to even suggest that. I clearly stated he has done some things that makes me optimistic and some things that haven't.
Roody wrote:No we don't agree on that and I never said anything to even suggest that. I clearly stated he has done some things that makes me optimistic and some things that haven't.
Oh, when you said I should give him three years in office before I decide, I thought you meant that's what you're doing too.
Roody wrote:Sarahnn that's simply not the case. First off I am on record criticizing him with things when I think he is wrong and all you would have to do is look at my post history to know that. Second of all he has done something. That's a fact. I noticed you changed your remark though from having done nothing to having done nothing of note.
Truth is there is several things on there that he accomplished with one being the new credit card bill. The rules were terrible and although there is still loopholes that the CC industry found the situation is better then it was.
Was that really such a big problem for people who manage their money wisely?
Does anyone really think he was going to do "something"? Politicians are all the same. Promise a bunch of "changes" when campaigning and deliver absolutely nothing once elected.
Sarahnn wrote:Oh, when you said I should give him three years in office before I decide, I thought you meant that's what you're doing too.
Originally Posted by Sarahnn
Well, at least we agree that he's done nothing America can be grateful for.....yet.
Either you aren't reading what I am saying or you are attempting to pick a fight. Again I said he has done some things I liked and some I didn't. I however am going to give him time before deciding the success of his presidency. There is no contradiction in that. I can praise things or condemn them without deciding if he is a bad President or not. My review of his presidency as I have stated many times will come roughly around year 3.
Sarahnn wrote:Was that really such a big problem for people who manage their money wisely?
Yes. A person can save and manage their CC well and still have unfortunate things happen to them that are outside of their control. Not that that would matter. The CC rules were vicious. Fixing them regardless of your party was a necessity.
Anyway, I've said all I can possibly say on the subject Sarahnn. I remain open-minded regarding President Obama. If he doesn't deliver then I won't vote for him. If he does then he will get my vote in 2012. At this point I can think of nothing left to add that we haven't already discussed. You have yours views on the President and so do I. I will leave it at that.
I find it very entertaining how the liberals will defend their president till the end of the earth, always defending their president, what does this tell us ?
Miggs wrote:I find it very entertaining how the liberals will defend their president till the end of the earth, always defending their president, what does this tell us ?
That they do the same thing the conservatives did for Bush?
Sarahnn wrote:Cumbersome, yes. That's alot of typing, but, now you know how I feel about always using Caps!!
P,
Now now, your intent is every bit as direct as your writing skills.
be well,
d
Hell_Yes
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
Miggs wrote:I've only been on this site for like 3 minutes and a lib already brought up Bush, must be Bush's vault.
Ahh.... the entertainment the liberals give us, I have to give it to them, they are good for entertaining us.
Welcome to SG...
You may have notice the title of this thread and the rather anti-Obama sentiment. Thank you for adding your intelligent discourse to this conversation.
Hell_Yes
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
Sarahnn wrote:Roody, I don't see it as a "feeling". I see it as an observation. I draw my conclusion by how much better off this country is today than it was in January 2009 when he took the helm and things are worse now. Iran is thumbing its nose at us, North Korea is acting up, Putin loves us because we won't help the rest of Europe with a defense system, unemployment is up, health care reform is a joke. I mean at least Crowley and Gates are getting along but not before obama spanked america for being so bad about our race relations. Europe loves us now but not before obama bowed to anyone who stood still for a minute, including some Mayor in Florida. He apologized to France for our arrogance, but it didn't raise any of the dead American soldiers buried a few hundred miles down the road from where he apologized. Everytime the man opens his mouth to account for his lack of success, you hear his petty excuse about how it's bushes fault.
Okay, your turn. Tell me how wonderful things are getting now because obama has been President for over a year now. And don't tell me he's only been in office for 14 months. He's had a Democratic Congress in control and he's only been given a total of four years under our Constitution anyway!!
NK has been saber rattling for years. Putin had every reason to be upset with missiles going up against his borders. If Barry is kissing tuchas, it is make up for the time maverick George turned away from our traditional allies.
There are several lists, only a Google click away to list the accomplishments (if you are inclined to think of them as such) under this present administration.
Frankly, I am fed up with most of American politics.
Hell_Yes
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
Roody wrote:Either you aren't reading what I am saying or you are attempting to pick a fight. Again I said he has done some things I liked and some I didn't. I however am going to give him time before deciding the success of his presidency. There is no contradiction in that. I can praise things or condemn them without deciding if he is a bad President or not. My review of his presidency as I have stated many times will come roughly around year 3.
No, I am not trying to pick a fight and I did not say you contradicted yourself. I said I read you wrong.
You are obviously getting upset. Your best bet as a concerned citizen is to start looking at obama's performance as president critically and with our Nation's best interests at heart. Barry is not a savior, he's a black male from the south side of Chicago who is a community organizer for the slums of Chicago and who lives in the center of those slums in one of the most elite and high-cost areas in the U.S.
He has done nothing to change the status quo of the needy in Chicago, and he did nothing as a Senator to give him distrinction. He is a smooth-talking, nice looking, smart and articulate man prone to petty grievances with no understanding of how to lead this great nation.
Sarahnn wrote:Your best bet as a concerned citizen is to start looking at obama's performance as president critically and with our Nation's best interests at heart.
Miggs wrote:I find it very entertaining how the liberals will defend their president till the end of the earth, always defending their president, what does this tell us ?
I'm not sure. The conflicting ideologies that I see are that Bush left much of the problems to the individual states to solve, while Barry is using the Federal Government to seize control of most of the decision-making.
As an aside, I just heard on the news yesterday that 26 banks have had to close now.
And we know that the pork in this Dems congress led by Pelosi and condoned by Barry is legendary. It's got to stop but, like Bush, it won't until Barry is taken off the pedestal. He is a servant of the people, not the poor black kid next door who needs to be adulated for winning an election. Acorn needs to be adulated for that. LOL
Sarahnn wrote:Was that really such a big problem for people who manage their money wisely?
Actually, yes. There were some incredibly shady tactics that were being done so that even people who managed their money wisely were getting hit by fees that they shouldn't have been being hit by.
So trade that typical for something colorful, and if it's crazy live a little crazy!
Sarahnn wrote:I'm not sure. The conflicting ideologies that I see are that Bush left much of the problems to the individual states to solve, while Barry is using the Federal Government to seize control of most of the decision-making.
Bush really didn't leave anything to the states. Nor has any president in the last 50 years, easily, if not since the US was founded. Have you noticed over the course of history how the federal government has continued getting larger and larger while the states governments have just been having more and more power taken away from them?
The US is becoming Rome. It doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on, honestly - the major players now are big business and the government vs. the little people. And just like in Rome, we're going to collapse... it's not a question of if, it's a question of when. Unfortunately, Obama isn't helping the situation any by weakening our economic position.
So trade that typical for something colorful, and if it's crazy live a little crazy!
Paft wrote:Bush really didn't leave anything to the states. Nor has any president in the last 50 years, easily, if not since the US was founded. Have you noticed over the course of history how the federal government has continued getting larger and larger while the states governments have just been having more and more power taken away from them?
The US is becoming Rome. It doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on, honestly - the major players now are big business and the government vs. the little people. And just like in Rome, we're going to collapse... it's not a question of if, it's a question of when. Unfortunately, Obama isn't helping the situation any by weakening our economic position.
Well said
The entire platform he ran on is CHANGE, and the only changes I have seen are for the worse... or at least they are more apparent than with past presidencies.
For the most part, state governments are every bit as corrupt as the federal. The expediency of communication and travel has permitted Washington to orchestrate better from afar
The comparisons of the US to Rome are common, though we have not been around as long as the great empires of the past.
Hell_Yes
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
David wrote:For the most part, state governments are every bit as corrupt as the federal. The expediency of communication and travel has permitted Washington to orchestrate better from afar
Paft wrote:Actually, yes. There were some incredibly shady tactics that were being done so that even people who managed their money wisely were getting hit by fees that they shouldn't have been being hit by.
Sorry. Not buying it. There are laws that protect the consumer but you have to have a certain amount of savvy and good sense.
My guess is that credit-card holders are abused by not reading the fine print and running into deep debt by using their credit cards irresponsibly.. There are disclosure laws to protect them.
David wrote:For the most part, state governments are every bit as corrupt as the federal. The expediency of communication and travel has permitted Washington to orchestrate better from afar
The comparisons of the US to Rome are common, though we have not been around as long as the great empires of the past.
Good observation but not germane to my point. The more intrusive the Federal Government is in State affairs, the bigger the Federal tax bill without representation.
Paft wrote:Bush really didn't leave anything to the states. Nor has any president in the last 50 years, easily, if not since the US was founded. Have you noticed over the course of history how the federal government has continued getting larger and larger while the states governments have just been having more and more power taken away from them?
If you think about it, Bush left alot to the states. New Oreans and katrina are a good example. Bush was not intrusive on the States, obama clearly is. Look at politifact at his "accomplishments". How many of them are about State governments? Add all the pork from the dems and it's pretty bad.
Sarahnn wrote:Good observation but not germane to my point. The more intrusive the Federal Government is in State affairs, the bigger the Federal tax bill without representation.
It related to Paft's commentary.
Hell_Yes
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
Germane to your point, would be the two links I offered. Unless, your thread title was rhetorical.
Hell_Yes
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
David wrote:That would be counter-intuitive to your response.
Germane to your point, would be the two links I offered. Unless, your thread title was rhetorical.
You said that State Governments are just as corrupt as the Federal government. I could turn that around and say that the Federal Government is as corrupt as State governments. Thats what I meant by not being germane to my point.
Sarahnn wrote:I thought it was fashionable. Oh wait, I'm white. Different rules.
Ummm, I said that tongue-in-cheek by the way for a reason. When Gates and Crowley had the run in, Crowley was implicated in a racist act. But when Gates got offended because Crowley was white, and accused him of racism because he was a white cop doing his job, no one said a word. Clearly, Gates and Obama were the racists in this incident for accusing a white cop of going after Gates because he was black.
