Canadian Tariff Increase

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:13 am

I don't think this has been passed yet, but its just a proposal for 2003. Either way, the Canadians have to pay just "that much more" for the same stuff.

http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/tariffs/propose ... 2002-b.pdf

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:36 am

Ok, here's the part I should've mentioned.

A tax increase of $1.23 for all CD-RW's, $2.27 on all DVD-R's $21 for each gigabyte of storage on portable MP3 players.

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:31 am

LOL- that'll help pay for some of that "free" Canadian healthcare that we in the US were supposed to embrace !

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 12:50 pm

At least they do have healthcare...

OF COURSE it's not free. OF COURSE it has to be payed for by taxes, but that's the point, paying health expenses collectively and not dividing society into people who can go to the doctor when they need one and those who just can't afford it.

I for one am happy to pay higher taxes, knowing that I'll always have a roof to live under, I'll always have something to eat, I'll always be able to go to a doctor when I need one. Even if I wouldn't have a job. I just happen to like that. It's okay if you don't, but don't bash others for being more compassionate.

Cheers,
Ronald

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:18 pm

And therein lies the different philosophies between socialism and our society.

At least they do have healthcare.

So do we- the finest facilities in the world, with the freedom to choose which ones to go to, and when. Why do you think the Canadians come to our hospitals for treatments and procedures? Because their "free" healthcare system does not provide the diversity and leading edge technology our system does. The latest, best equipment, with arguably the best trained physicians in the world.

I for one am happy to pay higher taxes

I'm glad for you. I prefer not to.

I'll always have something to eat, I'll always be able to go to a doctor when I need one. Even if I wouldn't have a job. I just happen to like that.

Again- I'm glad for you.

It's okay if you don't, but don't bash others for being more compassionate.

Yes- it is OK if I don't... and it's also OK for me to "bash" others for being more "compassionate"

. It's part of what makes our country so great. I can say whatever I want, and believe whatever I choose, and back it up with a vote that let's me speak my mind. It's the essence of why we in America love to be Americans.

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:42 pm

Originally posted by twwabw
LOL- that'll help pay for some of that "free" Canadian healthcare that we in the US were supposed to embrace !

its not "FREE" its called a medical plan you pay each month based on your income. similar to health insurance.

you guys are destroying our softwood lumber industry 5000 people out of work in british columbia beacuse of the softwood /united states BS.

the americans wont even send us a reply least they could do is respomd to the canadian gov

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:45 pm

it is my right to speak mine. You are a sicko. Do you think all Canadians come to your hospitals? No. We have the technology and the money, but our well trained people are drawn away by promises of money and other such things.

And though you have the best trained physicians, they work for money. They don't work for the betterment of the people or because they care. It doesn't drive them home in luxury or comfort. From what you are defining the foundation of america, you are saying GREED is the base for it, which I would like to pick your brain over. So your thinking "hey it's okay to bash some over paying higher taxes, I'm rich, they'll take my sh!t away! I better speak up or I'll lose my cash!" Well that ain't the right idea..Its great that you are driven, but you have the wrong backing and motive.

People like you ruin the world with being drive only for personal fufilment. Sure it's great, but what the hell did you do to make you god and someone else a bum? Do you give a damn? No. It's your right as an "American" not to give a damn if someone dies because they can't afford to pay your "world's greatest physicians" their due payment. Its your right as an "American" to make sure that money in your country stays in your country by taking a gun to overseas countries and pointing it in their faces.

YOU ARE WHATS WRONG WITH AMERICA AND THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:49 pm

It's your right as an "American" not to give a damn if someone dies because they can't afford to pay your "world's greatest physicians" their due payment. Its your right as an "American" to make sure that money in your country stays in your country by takes a gun to overseas countries and pointing it in their faces.

a little bit of an over reaching statement there don't ya think terrancelam?

Nice bash.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:52 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

a little bit of an over reaching statement there don't ya think terrancelam?

Nice bash.

Not all Americans think like that, but he is one of the problems. He likes the idea that more money in his pockets is a good idea. But of course, stupid me, it is, isn't it?

Sure he has the right to speak his mind and bash others, but I can't be cause I'm using the word "American"??

BTW tell me if I am lying around that statement you quoted. Do you give a damn about people dying because they can't afford to pay the doctor a bill? Do care if other people dying in another country because it isn't friendly to transnational corporations?

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:55 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

a little bit of an over reaching statement there don't ya think terrancelam?

Nice bash.

glad i did not say that

here is what it all comes down too. the americans in the end do not play as intense and generally do not check hard enough. and that is why CANADA WON THE GOLD! WAy to go mens and womens hockey!

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:56 pm

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Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:59 pm

Originally posted by terrancelam

Not all Americans think like that, but he is one of the problems. He likes the idea that more money in his pockets is a good idea. But of course, stupid me, it is, isn't it?

Sure he has the right to speak his mind and bash others, but I can't be cause I'm using the word "American"??

BTW tell me if I am lying around that statement you quoted. Do you give a damn about people dying because they can't afford to pay the doctor a bill? Do care if other people dying in another country because it isn't friendly to transnational corporations?

Okay, so now you accuse me of not giving a sh1t because I am an american. THATS WHAT I MEANT BY AN OVER REACHING STATEMENT!!! It doesn't apply to all american's. Thus my problem with you using it the way you did. And yes, I want more money than I have. Shocker eh? But it's not what drives me. Sorry, I like to make more money every year than than the year before, and you know what comes of it? I am more able to help people. And thats my right as an "american" and some of what's right with this country. Call me a sicko too, but thats the way i am.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:00 pm

Originally posted by Randy

glad i did not say that

here is what it all comes down too. the americans in the end do not play as intense and generally do not check hard enough. and that is why CANADA WON THE GOLD! WAy to go mens and womens hockey!

lol good synopsis there Randy

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:02 pm

People like you ruin the world with being drive only for personal fufilment

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. I for one however believe driven people don't ruin the world, but rather they are the ones that further it. You have no idea what motivates me. You have no idea what fulfills me. Nor do I know about you.

You are a sicko.

Been called worse, been called better.

He likes the idea that more money in his pockets is a good idea

Yes I do. If I've earned it. I ask noone for anything, and I work for what I have. Period. No handouts- no freebies- no gimme's.

Sure he has the right to speak his mind and bash others, but I can't be cause I'm using the word "American"??

You can say whatever you like- it's your opinion, as is mine.

a little bit of an over reaching statement there don't ya think terrancelam?

Well, his perogative. Interesting how a crack on Canadian taxation / healthcare has incensed you to launch into a diatribe about "people dying in another country because it isn't friendly to transnational corporations?", and "that money in your country stays in your country by taking a gun to overseas countries and pointing it in their faces.". But- passion is passion. C'est la vie.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:04 pm

Originally posted by terrancelam
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and you think HL is an antagonist?

HalfLifer · Post by **HalfLifer** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:05 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

and you think HL is an antagonist?

I hoped my post didnt mean any harm, so I removed it. Didnt mean to be, if I did.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:05 pm

Originally posted by Noevo

Okay, so now you accuse me of not giving a sh1t because I am an american. THATS WHAT I MEANT BY AN OVER REACHING STATEMENT!!! It doesn't apply to all american's. Thus my problem with you using it the way you did. And yes, I want more money than I have. Shocker eh? But it's not what drives me. Sorry, I like to make more money every year than than the year before, and you know what comes of it? I am more able to help people. And thats my right as an "american" and some of what's right with this country. Call me a sicko too, but thats the way i am.

Then you do give a damn. I don't see a problem with you wanting more money. If your a sicko, then I'm a sicko, do you see my point? We go through different routes to achieve a common goal. Your one of those Americans who isn't just thinking about what is best for him. My apologies if you feel I was giving you "sh!t".

I just get very rilled up when I see someone posting about how he feels he should "bash" others for being more "compassionate" . If wanting to see your fellow man not begging in the street being compassionate, people not dying on hospital waiting rooms, you can say I'm not compassionate.

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:06 pm

PS- This is NOT a bash on Canada.... Canada is a great country, and a great neighbor. I visit it frequently, and enjoy it there. I do differ with their socialistic form of government, but hey- it's their country! They obviously are happy with it. I just don't care to share many of those beliefs / aspirations / philosophies.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:08 pm

*suddenly finds himself in the middle of a political type thread and bails*

enjoy all. terrencelam no hard feelings.

carry on

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:08 pm

yah love canadians and americans in general ... but each country seems to have atleast a few arrogant A$sHolios. I just dont feel the need to bash americans or any other country.

I dont get pissed of at people who have more money than me
I get pissed off at the amount of money i have.

maybe we forget what we are mad at
> healthcare
>softwood lumber
>taxes
> eachother???< not me

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:09 pm

Originally posted by twwabw
PS- This is NOT a bash on Canada.... Canada is a great country, and a great neighbor. I visit it frequently, and enjoy it there. I do differ with their socialistic form of government, but hey- it's their country! They obviously are happy with it. I just don't care to share many of those beliefs / aspirations / philosophies.

Glad to see that although our philosophies differ, you are a tolerant fellow.

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:10 pm

Originally posted by terrancelam
Take it up with me in PM. You had a chance to take a crack at me in public with another thread, but you didn't. Now do it in PM before I whump you ass.

if that is directly aimed at Noevo why would You (terrenclem) not pm Noevo?

* plugs nose and jumps off thread*

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:13 pm

Terrence, now dig...

I don't know how many times this kinda stuff has to be said by me and others. Just because I have a beef with something you said, and argued it, DOES NOT mean I have a beef with you. nothing to want to try and whump my ass over. As far as the other thread; I was indifferent.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:14 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
Terrence, now dig...

I don't know how many times this kinda stuff has to be said by me and others. Just because I have a beef with something you said, and argued it, DOES NOT mean I have a beef with you. nothing to want to try and whump my ass over. As far as the other thread; I was indifferent.

when I saw your responce, was hoping I could escape you seeing it (by deleting it) , but darn that Randy fellow!

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:16 pm

I saw it before randy quoted it anyway

Oh look! a goat!

*once again tries to escape the poltical thread thingy*

HalfLifer · Post by **HalfLifer** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:17 pm

Popcorn! Get yer Pop-a-corn here!

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:18 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
I saw it before randy quoted it anyway

Oh look! a goat!

*once again tries to escape the poltical thread thingy*

Now Mad Doc will appear and ask the goat on a date! AIEE! hehe Wait! Its that small goat I borrowed! aAHHHH its come back to haunt me!

HalfLifer · Post by **HalfLifer** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:21 pm

Ok people, hotdogs, 2.75. My final offer....

*whistles*

Hey you, OUT OF THE BAG!

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:22 pm

Geez, I didn't know it was Pandora's box that I opened...

What it all boils down to, is how you look at the world. It's no big secret that US Americans (in general, of course not each individual citizen) tend to look at things in the laissez-faire capitalistic way, while Canada and western Europe tend to look at things from a socialistic perspective.

I try to imagine the long run effects of each, the very long run effects. IMO, mankind will have to make use of a a federal, socialistic, democratic (yes, socialistic and democratic DO go together) government. There are some issues that need top-level, and I really do mean world-gov't, decisions in the long run. Of course, that should be used only when needed, giving the individual member areas as much control as possible, to keep the system as close to the basis of democracy as possible. All other known forms of government will lead to one or the horror scenario, IMO. Maybe there is a better form of government than democracy. But until now, democracy is our best bet. And it should be somewhat socialistic to prevent increasing income disparities. Over the centuries even a constant small increase can lead to a sort of class society with classes to far apart to be able to live together peacefully. But then, those are only the results of the "simulations" in my mind.

We'll see (or won't, depending on how things go), I guess.

My 2c,
Ronald

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:46 am

Originally posted by SeedOfChaos
Geez, I didn't know it was Pandora's box that I opened...

My god, what have I started? All I wanted to point out was an increase in a tax on CDR's.

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Canadian Tariff Increase

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And as it is your right to speak your mind

The point I'm trying to make is

hmm I just love it! :D

Re: The point I'm trying to make is

Re: hmm I just love it! :D

Re: Re: hmm I just love it! :D

Re: Re: The point I'm trying to make is

Passion is Passion. :D

Re: If you have beef with me Noevo

I understood that

Aiee