Dellno more XP

morbidpete · Post by **morbidpete** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:56 am

So we can no longer get downgrade rights for XP from dell. Stopped Friday. I help maintain a few dealerships in NE and ADP does not like Win 7. Thats is all

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:12 pm

XP will never die in my world.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:57 pm

Which ADP?

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:20 pm

Good..it was really just a higher cost way to make your life go backwards.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:56 pm

Sava700 wrote:Good..it was really just a higher cost way to make your life go backwards.

From the business network point of view, it's different, things are usually quite a few steps back from bleeding edge. When XP came out, many businesses were still on Win95b. Many LOB applications are slow to respond to upgrading just for a current OS...and there are many..many reasons for that. Not to mention many other hardware peripherals such as monstrous MFP/Scanning/Fax units sitting on a network, that cost as much as an average new car.

morbidpete · Post by **morbidpete** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:03 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Which ADP?

mainly the W.E.B Suite, Also a massive headache getting the massive printer to only print thru ADP and have windows use the normal printer for its stuff. Got it down now, but first win 7 machine was a pain. We are also turning off some network services thats making life a bit easier. And networked printers are so easy now! (after the dhcp reservation is setup at least)

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:31 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:From the business network point of view, it's different, things are usually quite a few steps back from bleeding edge. When XP came out, many businesses were still on Win95b. Many LOB applications are slow to respond to upgrading just for a current OS...and there are many..many reasons for that. Not to mention many other hardware peripherals such as monstrous MFP/Scanning/Fax units sitting on a network, that cost as much as an average new car.

No matter how much I already know of this..there is still no reason for anyone to just sit around and wait for these companies to get off their asses and move on. But I look at it this way too.. if its not broken then don't fix it. Therefore they can keep running on all that older stuff and not upgrade so be it... but if you build new then you go with whats new. MS stopped support of Xpsp2 and will soon drop SP3 support, Vista's support may go soon after if not before due to its lack of adaptability anyway - Win ME anyone?

Don't get me wrong, just 3 years ago I was dealing with machines that cost more than several cars put together that still ran on Win 95...but they worked.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:53 am

Sava700 wrote:No matter how much I already know of this..there is still no reason for anyone to just sit around and wait for these companies to get off their asses and move on.

So what....close the company? Or spend several hundred thousand dollars having specialists do conversions of the data to extract it from the old app and import it into some newer app?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:55 am

Sava700 wrote: Don't get me wrong, just 3 years ago I was dealing with machines that cost more than several cars put together that still ran on Win 95...but they worked.

I've worked on servers north of 20 grand....but say an entry level car is 20 grand, several starts with 3, 3 x 20 grand = 60 grand...what computers running a desktop OS where you working on that cost 60 grand?

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:35 am

Just my added 2 cents re support:

I makes no difference at all whether or not MS offers support for its software or not. How many times as a tech, have you had to use MS support to solve issues? I'm not referring to support documents, I am referring to actual phone call support with a MS tech.

That line, "we will stop supporting software XYZ in 60 days" is just a part of sales techniques designed to encourage users to upgrade to the next level.

Think about it. After x number of years, all of the major bugs with any major software are solved and solutions are readily available all over the WWW and in books. While the average home user may not be apt to seek his own solutions on the WWW, he will likely upgrade to the next level. But business owners won't upgrade because support is ending.

"End of support" also implies "no further software updates or fixes". Again, that is nearly moot because the bugs have already been worked out.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:47 am

TonyT wrote: How many times as a tech, have you had to use MS support to solve issues? I'm not referring to support documents, I am referring to actual phone call support with a MS tech..

Probably over a dozen times.
Though 99% of the time has been server related issues.....not a desktop OS.
One or two times to get special request hotfixes for an MS Office related issue.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:01 am

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:22 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:So what....close the company? Or spend several hundred thousand dollars having specialists do conversions of the data to extract it from the old app and import it into some newer app?

When I say Company I mean those like Dell, Microsoft, etc... software companies which many have moved on.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:24 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:I've worked on servers north of 20 grand....but say an entry level car is 20 grand, several starts with 3, 3 x 20 grand = 60 grand...what computers running a desktop OS where you working on that cost 60 grand?

Large machines for manufacturing that ran off of PLC systems, hydro etc.. all controlled by a Win95 pc/software! Stuff worked so no point in changing it obviously but yeah outdated as hell and often times a pain in the butt to work on not to mention pain to use and operate.

Also not just 60grand.... some as much as 500K

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:09 am

I still have 1 98 machine in service.

No network usage on it however.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:30 pm

Sava700 wrote:Large machines for manufacturing that ran off of PLC systems, hydro etc.. all controlled by a Win95 pc/software! Stuff worked so no point in changing it obviously but yeah outdated as hell and often times a pain in the butt to work on not to mention pain to use and operate.

Also not just 60grand.... some as much as 500K

Was usually DOS or NT...like NT 3.51 or NT 4...on the PLCs I've worked on.