http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArtic ... on_reutersJERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli scientists said on Wednesday they had discovered a prehistoric ecosystem dating back millions of years.
The discovery was made in a cave near the central Israeli city of Ramle during rock drilling at a quarry. Scientists were called in and soon found eight previously unknown species of crustaceans and invertebrates similar to scorpions.
Doesn't mean a whole lot to me Pie as I really believe that time is ever changing and in the beginning it was millions of times faster thus having the effect of making the universe "seem" billions of years old. Interesting though as I do like ancient history.thepieman wrote:I guess this blows the idea of the earth being only 6,000 years old for some. They found a closed off millions of year old fully functioning ecosystem that contained 8 previously unknown species of life. The cave had been sealed off from the outside. All the animal life inside had no eyes. This find is amazing.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArtic ... on_reuters
There is a Pic there.
minir wrote:--
The same system we use here Roody. The "SWAG" method...Scientific Wild Ass Guess"
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Time was faster? Even if that were true it still would not change the half-life of radioactive materials. If something has a half-life of 1million years it still takes a million years for it to decay to where it is no longer radioactive.bigmo66 wrote:Doesn't mean a whole lot to me Pie as I really believe that time is ever changing and in the beginning it was millions of times faster thus having the effect of making the universe "seem" billions of years old. Interesting though as I do like ancient history.
I guess it depends. They said they found 8 never before seen species. They could have found others that were known and thought to be extinct. They could have found known species that have evolved inside that enclosed cave. If in the past they found fossils in layers of dirt that was several million years old and inside the cave they find a live sample, it wouldnt be too hard to figure out. You are not going to find a Pepsi can buried deep in layers of compressed earth where you found traces of an ancient rainforest full of extinct trees and flora.Roody wrote:My question is how can they be sure its millions of years old? What kind of system do they use to supposedly prove this?
I understand what you are saying I just subscribe to Minir's SWAG theory. To this day I have never seen a single thing that could give me some solid information to support that theory. I guess its more about what we want to believe and thats fine by me.thepieman wrote:I guess it depends. They said they found 8 never before seen species. They could have found others that were known and thought to be extinct. They could have found known species that have evolved inside that enclosed cave. If in the past they found fossils in layers of dirt that was several million years old and inside the cave they find a live sample, it wouldnt be too hard to figure out. You are not going to find a Pepsi can buried deep in layers of compressed earth where you found traces of an ancient rainforest full of extinct trees and flora.
Remember these are sea creatures that were trapped when the sea was in a totally different place then it is now. This find was in a quarry where it took the rock millions of years to form and was originally underwater.
Pie
I like this theory the best earth is 6,000 years old and 15 billions years at same timeRoody wrote:I understand what you are saying I just subscribe to Minir's SWAG theory. To this day I have never seen a single thing that could give me some solid information to support that theory. I guess its more about what we want to believe and thats fine by me.
Not neccesarily because we are talking about two different thoughts on early time which would effect everything to do with time. What takes a million years now, might have taken an instant when the universe was formed. If the theory is true, we can't go by current time when calculating half-life.thepieman wrote:Time was faster? Even if that were true it still would not change the half-life of radioactive materials. If something has a half-life of 1million years it still takes a million years for it to decay to where it is no longer radioactive.
Not sure I am following the idea of that theory. Sounds interesting enough though.Ghosthunter wrote:I like this theory the best earth is 6,000 years old and 15 billions years at same time
yeah i know someone is going to say it impossible but scientists have some interesting theories to show evidence of that ask Dr. Gerald Schroeder who earned his BSc, MSc and PhD at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology...but then again no one can prove anything beyond a shadow of doubt in reality does it really matter?
Roody wrote:Not sure I am following the idea of that theory. Sounds interesting enough though.
Gerald Schroeder is a scientist with over thirty years of experience in research and teaching. He earned his Bachelor's, Master's, and Doctorate degrees all at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. This was followed by seven years on the staff of the MIT physics department prior to moving to Israel, where he joined the Weizmann Institute of Science and then the Volcani Research Institute, while also having a laboratory at The Hebrew University. His Doctorate is in two fields: Earth sciences and nuclear physics. His formal theological training includes fifteen years of study under the late Rabbi Herman Pollack, Rabbi Chaim Brovender and Rabbi Noah Weinberg.
The scientific career that Schroeder chose has given him varied and often unusual experiences. In his work with nuclear disarmament, he has been present at the detonation of six atomic bombs. Work in control of radioactivity has put him hundreds of meters below ground in U.S. and foreign uranium mines.
I will give it a look. Thanks for the links.Ghosthunter wrote:here is his page he also has several books out there and is well known, he believes like i do science and bible are not separate but together.
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/age.html
it a long article and can get lost but very interesting
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/contact.html
He's a fraud that has his own agenda. Pretty simple to create illogical conclusions by adding a bunch of ridiculous bs. I guess he believes that there were WOMD in Iraq as well? Oh let me guess, you’re a bible pumper that believes in the creation?Ghosthunter wrote:here is his page he also has several books out there and is well known, he believes like i do science and bible are not separate but together.
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/age.html
it a long article and can get lost but very interesting
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/contact.html
You've always had some sort of distorted agenda on this forum. Very careful in its execution but non-the-less, very apparent. Obviously you are having issues with your own personal beliefs and are not hesitant in persecuting other religious groups in your path for self assurance.Ghosthunter wrote:can you back it up that he is a fraud? he has the credentials..where are yours?
he just did nto put up a web page with a whole bunch of tidbits he has several books in and out of bible and science field
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/searc ... 20-3894564
is he perfect? of course not becuase he is human...if you are a skeptic then nothing in your mind will change your view..but if you are a believer and always had these question but not sure how to answer this is helps explians those mysteries.
So all these star systems and planets that are now forming taking millions of years to form are just part of that slow-down in time. Time was sped up to compress billions of years within a few seconds? Thats a little too far fetched for me. The dinosaurs only lived for a few seconds and then poof they disappeared? So how old do you think the earth actually is? Please do not tell me you are basing these assumptions on a people that claimed that the earth was flat and that Eclipses and comets were sent by demons!?bigmo66 wrote:Not neccesarily because we are talking about two different thoughts on early time which would effect everything to do with time. What takes a million years now, might have taken an instant when the universe was formed. If the theory is true, we can't go by current time when calculating half-life.
Think wrote:You've always had some sort of distorted agenda on this forum. Very careful in its execution but non-the-less, very apparent. Obviously you are having issues with your own personal beliefs and are not hesitant in persecuting other religious groups in your path for self assurance.
Given my time line at speedguide in relation to the amount of post that I have participated in, I guess my average is literally light years of evolutionary growth or possible only a couple of weeks according to Mr.Geralds misguided religious conclusions he is so famous for.
Pretty much. Don't forget the lunar landing never happened.thepieman wrote:So all these star systems and planets that are now forming taking millions of years to form are just part of that slow-down in time. Time was sped up to compress billions of years within a few seconds? Thats a little too far fetched for me. The dinosaurs only lived for a few seconds and then poof they disappeared? So how old do you think the earth actually is? Please do not tell me you are basing these assumptions on a people that claimed that the earth was flat and that Eclipses and comets were sent by demons!?
It's a thought Pie as we cannot prove much and no two parties can come to a conclusion without a doubt. There's a whole lot of splendor out there and most remains a complete mystery and baffles the most advanced minds.thepieman wrote:So all these star systems and planets that are now forming taking millions of years to form are just part of that slow-down in time. Time was sped up to compress billions of years within a few seconds? Thats a little too far fetched for me. The dinosaurs only lived for a few seconds and then poof they disappeared? So how old do you think the earth actually is? Please do not tell me you are basing these assumptions on a people that claimed that the earth was flat and that Eclipses and comets were sent by demons!?
That's even better than the mathematical improbability argument, which is easily debunked with a deck of playing cards. Ah, Newbies, always on the side of majority.jz82 wrote:Ah, creationists, always on the wrong side.
It's rather interesting to see what you guys come up with in an attempt to twist reality into bronze age scripture. 6000 years old and billions of years old?
Twisting reality? I would disagree with you there. I respect the views of those who don't believe what I do, but in the very least I expect the same kind of courtesy. Somehow mocking the views of those who believe the scriptures is far from doing that.jz82 wrote:Ah, creationists, always on the wrong side.
It's rather interesting to see what you guys come up with in an attempt to twist reality into bronze age scripture. 6000 years old and billions of years old?
bigmo66 wrote:If you take the time to read my posts, you will see that I readily admit to not having answers for a lot of stuff, but I stick to my beliefs regardless of your mockery.
Giant Crater Found: Tied to Worst Mass Extinction Ever
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 01 June 2006
06:07 pm ET
An apparent crater as big as Ohio has been found in Antarctica. Scientists think it was carved by a space rock that caused the greatest mass extinction on Earth, 250 million years ago.
The crater, buried beneath a half-mile of ice and discovered by some serious airborne and satellite sleuthing, is more than twice as big as the one involved in the demise of the dinosaurs.
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/06060 ... rater.html
