There goes the Mid East Neighborhood!

[thepieman]

you make it sound like US is so innocent?

Never said that. If we give her tons of money and support as well as weaponry and technology PLUS we are one of her main outlets for export...WHY spy on US!?

If I recall Israel gave a list of names of possible terrorist activites before 9-11 to the US...we now know Bush knew about 9-11 or something like it and did nothing.

When you have terrorists on a daily basis killing innocent you do what you have to. Iran does not give a crap about its own people this is not the cold war of the 80's

Israel will strike first IMO agaisnt Iran if they see getting close to building the nukes, because they know Iran will use them against Tel Aviv.

I think you are thinking of the spies they caught in NJ the day of 9-11 laughing and giggling as the Towers went down. They were trailing Atta and they lived right near him but no information was gotten from them.

As I said the killing is from BOTH sides...please don't try to say that the Israeli government is innocent. They are not on the Human Rights abuse list for no reason.

Israel has stated its intentions months ago to bomb the reactors which aren't even close to Nuclear Weaponry capability. If you read that Research paper you could see possible outcomes from such a move. We would suffer the penalty for such a move. I think that something should be done to broker peace agreement before we end up paying the price once again.

[Ghosthunter]

Never said that. If we give her tons of money and support as well as weaponry and technology PLUS we are one of her main outlets for export...WHY spy on US!?



I think you are thinking of the spies they caught in NJ the day of 9-11 laughing and giggling as the Towers went down. They were trailing Atta and they lived right near him but no information was gotten from them.

As I said the killing is from BOTH sides...please don't try to say that the Israeli government is innocent. They are not on the Human Rights abuse list for no reason.

Israel has stated its intentions months ago to bomb the reactors which aren't even close to Nuclear Weaponry capability. If you read that Research paper you could see possible outcomes from such a move. We would suffer the penalty for such a move. I think that something should be done to broker peace agreement before we end up paying the price once again.

no govt is innocent...

but still dont compare to govts that sponsor terrorism. In Israel you can practice any religion you want...try doing that in say Iran

Like I said Israel is right in middle of so many enemies they have to do what they have to do to survive and they will. I think they do a good job of trying to be as diplomatic as possible...becuase if say Iran was right next to us and they said same thing to us and knew they were building then I would want our govt to take those out

[David]

Pieman.... as an aside

Why is it that when any problem arises in the Middle East, somehow the locals seem to find a way to blame Israel? Do the Palestinians have a legitimate beef? Yes. Lebanon? Somewhat. Anyone else? No. Perhaps it is high time recognize the problems for what they are. The majority of these nations were created by imperialists to mark territories. When given their "freedom" many monarchic or straight despotic rule. Useful for multination companies to continue to filch nature resources on the cheap and to yoke ethnic turmoil. Well, has anything changed since the Europeans left the area?

It still stands that Israel is but a wisp of a territory. Agreed that the suffocating paranoia of its people and its clear mistreatment of anyone non-Ashkanasi is appalling, but enough of making them the focus of every single malady that streaks from Morroco to the Indian sub continent.

[David]

I think you are thinking of the spies they caught in NJ the day of 9-11 laughing and giggling as the Towers went down. They were trailing Atta and they lived right near him but no information was gotten from them.

Funny how this story morphs from its original telling.

[thepieman]

Funny how this story morphs from its original telling.

David Im not morphing it. I see links everywhere about it. Its just like the deal with arabs going around celebrating it happening. Am I going to try to deny it? No. Im not trying to argue here. The Oxford research group is not a partisan group. If you have time read the document. Im just trying to say that an attack on Iran could have severe repurcussions on the entire area and the world and its not something that should be just jumped into with Bombs

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

http://www.sundayherald.com/37707

On Sept. 11, 2001, five Israeli men in a van marked "Urban Moving Systems," were detained after East Rutherford police were told that the men were "smiling and exchanging high-fives" when they saw the Trade Center burning across the Hudson River, according to the memorandum.

http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cf ... 3380&rfi=6


I'm sorry but there ARE Israelis who would relish the thought of the US severing all ties with the Arab nations and do exactly what was done in Iraq to Iran as well. As I have said there are Butchers and Mass Murderers on both sides of the Arab/Israeli fence , including my own people who helped massacre over 600 people in a Beirut Palestinian refugee camp with the aid of The Israeli Army in September or October of 1982.


Pie

[David]

I never said you morphed it. If you have followed this particular tale since 9-11, it has gone under a few changes.

[thepieman]

Pieman.... as an aside

Why is it that when any problem arises in the Middle East, somehow the locals seem to find a way to blame Israel? Do the Palestinians have a legitimate beef? Yes. Lebanon? Somewhat. Anyone else? No. Perhaps it is high time recognize the problems for what they are. The majority of these nations were created by imperialists to mark territories. When given their "freedom" many monarchic or straight despotic rule. Useful for multination companies to continue to filch nature resources on the cheap and to yoke ethnic turmoil. Well, has anything changed since the Europeans left the area?

It still stands that Israel is but a wisp of a territory. Agreed that the suffocating paranoia of its people and its clear mistreatment of anyone non-Ashkanasi is appalling, but enough of making them the focus of every single malady that streaks from Morroco to the Indian sub continent.

David
In this case Israel is making direct threats to bomb a nuclear facility that has not even been deemed as being nuclear capable yet. Its speculation. I hardly see the threat of bombing as a true diplomatic attempt at finding a solution. Was the president of Iran right at making his threats ? No, but the USA taking the side of just bombing Iran is not right and there is more then enough time in between now and the time that they can get thousands of centrifuges going to allow for the manufactur of Nuclear weaponry. I understand the right of Israel to defend herself but not the callous decision to do something that may bring us all into a World War.

[thepieman]

I never said you morphed it. If you have followed this particular tale since 9-11, it has gone under a few changes.

To be honest with you...we never really even got the whole story on those "Art Students" it just seemed to vanish into security heavan. People talk about Bush's ties to the Saudis and The UAE , but no one really seemed to have gotten to the bottom of that one.



Pie

[JawZ]

Pie,

The average age of USMC recruits is 19yrs old. The USMC graduates 38,000 recruits a year. So if 18yr old men only think about hurting someone when their own life or their family's life is in danger....you can figure the rest out on your own.

Young Iranian men WANT to go to war for the same reasons our own young men want to go to war. It is because their leadership portrays the world as such. Irans's leadership has stated that Israel must go and our leadership has stood up to that. Can you see how basic this is? It doesn't take much to INFLUENCE young men that don't have much hope.

If Iran wanted to go about this the right way...all they had to do was go before the UN and say, "we want nuclear power or some other alternative and we want your help to make this happen" If they did that and had not inserted any anti-Israeli rhetoric into the dialogue, I'm sure the world's capital venturists would have come to their aid and we along with the rest of the world would have peace of mind that the intent of the venture was genuine.


But that is not the case. Iran has openly declared it's hatred for Israel...why?

"The persecution of Jews, just like Nazism, is a Western phenomenon. In the east, we have always lived side by side with them. And we follow a religion that states that the death of an innocent person is the death of all of humanity," Khatami said

that is from the FORMER leader of Iran. He was ousted in 2005. How quickly things have changed.

[thepieman]

Pie,
If Iran wanted to go about this the right way...all they had to do was go before the UN and say, "we want nuclear power or some other alternative and we want your help to make this happen" If they did that and had not inserted any anti-Israeli rhetoric into the dialogue, I'm sure the world's capital venturists would have come to their aid and we along with the rest of the world would have peace of mind that the intent of the venture was genuine.

But that is not the case. Iran has openly declared it's hatred for Israel...why?

that is from the FORMER leader of Iran. He was ousted in 2005. How quickly things have changed.

If Iran never went to the UN there would never have been IAEA inspectors there in the first place, so of course they had to have gone to the UN for approval. The whole thing is resting on the assumption that they are in possesion of a document that shows them how to make nuclear weapons out of all the uranium. Its just an assumption..no proof. Lets not mince words here..Israel is no fan of Irans either. They know that Hezbollah was financed and backed by Syria and Iran and they have made threats too. If telling the Iranian government that they are going to bomb their nuclear facility are your idea of words of peace, what would an insult be?

Below is the complete text of the resolution on Iran's nuclear program as approved by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors on 4 February.


Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran
Draft resolution submitted by France, Germany and the United Kingdom

The Board of Governors

(a) Recalling all the resolutions adopted by the Board on Iran's nuclear program,

(b) Recalling also the Director General's reports,

(c) Recalling that Article IV of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons [NPT] stipulates that nothing in the Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable rights of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of the Treaty,

(d) Commending the Director General and the Secretariat for the professional and impartial efforts to implement the Safeguards Agreement in Iran, to resolve outstanding ussues in Iran and to verify the implementation by Iran of the suspension,

(e) Recalling the Director General's description of this as a special verification case,

(f) Recalling that in reports referred to above, the Director General noted that after nearly three years of intensive verification activity, the Agency is not yet in a position to clarify some important issues relating to Iran's nuclear program or to conclude that there are no undeclared nuclear materials or activities in Iran,

(g) Recalling Iran's many failures and breaches of its obligations to comply with its NPT Safeguards Agreement and the absence of confidence that Iran's nuclear program is exclusively for peaceful purposes resulting from the history of concealment of Iran's nuclear activities, the nature of those activities and other issues arising from the Agency's verification of declarations made by Iran since September 2002,

(h) Recalling that the Director General has stated that Iran's full transparency is indispensable and overdue for the Agency to be able to clarify outstanding issues, (GOV/2005/67)

(i) Recalling the requests of the Agency for Iran's cooperation in following up on reports relating to equipment, materials and activities which have applications in the conventional military area and in the civilian sphere as well as in the nuclear military area (as indicated by the Director General in GOV/2005/67),

(j) Recalling that in November 2005 the Director General reported (GOV/2005/87) that Iran possesses a document related to the procedural requirements for the reduction of UF6 [uranium hexafluoride] to metal in small quantities, and on casting and machining of enriched, natural and depleted uranium metal into hemispherical forms,

(k) Expressing serious concerns about Iran's nuclear program, and agreeing that an extensive period of confidence-building is required from Iran,

(l) Reaffirming the Board's resolve to continue to work for a diplomatic solution to the Iranian nuclear issue, and

m) Recognizing that a solution to the Iranian issue would contribute to global nonproliferation efforts and to realizing the objective of a Middle East free of weapons of mass destruction, including their means of delivery,

1. Underlines that outstanding questions can best be resolved and confidence built in the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran's program by Iran responding positively to the calls for confidence-building measures which the Board has made on Iran, and in this context deems it necessary for Iran to:

-reestablish full and sustained suspension of all enrichment-related and processing activities, including research and development, to be verified by the Agency]

Now can you produce any type of Document stating the current status of Israels nuclear program and/or its request to any international board of governance?Or its Peaceful intentions for the use of such technology? Any reporting data from any type of Nuclear monitoring agency at all will sufffice.


Thanks

Pie

[JawZ]

an insult would be the current leader of Iran telling the world that Israel should be wiped off the map.

Pie, this is all very simple stuff. Iran was on the right path under it's former leader. They did all the right things but as soon as they pressed for additional nuclear clearance coupled with a very public condemnation of Israel, it all went south lol.

BTW, when Pakistan suffered it's most recent earthquake, the first relief efforts on the ground were non other than the Iranians. Wanna take a stab at why? Pakistan has urnaium ore and the methods to create nuclear weapons grade materials although they have vowed not to make them, yet they are also not part of the NPT.

Also, the Iranian force on the ground was the largest on the ground. Intel points to numerous "recruitment efforts" of young displaced men....for what purpose?

Sometimes I hate this world because it can be such an evil place.

[Gixxer]

can't we all just get along.....?

[thepieman]

an insult would be the current leader of Iran telling the world that Israel should be wiped off the map.

Pie, this is all very simple stuff. Iran was on the right path under it's former leader. They did all the right things but as soon as they pressed for additional nuclear clearance coupled with a very public condemnation of Israel, it all went south lol.

I know that they condemned Israel publically but before that even happened Israel threataned to attack their nuclear facilities...why is that so insignificant? Is it because they are a moslem country?

BTW, when Pakistan suffered it's most recent earthquake, the first relief efforts on the ground were non other than the Iranians. Wanna take a stab at why? Pakistan has urnaium ore and the methods to create nuclear weapons grade materials although they have vowed not to make them, yet they are also not part of the NPT.

Also, the Iranian force on the ground was the largest on the ground. Intel points to numerous "recruitment efforts" of young displaced men....for what purpose?

Sometimes I hate this world because it can be such an evil place.

I'm not 100% on this but I believe one of Irans own natural resources is Uranium. I don't know about that tie with Pakistan but it could also be that they are pretty close by and are also a Muslim nation.
As far as recruitment in the madrassas go, what do you think they are teaching them there? That the USA and Israel are out to get them?That the USA always turns a blind eye and gives Israel special priveledges when it comes to Arab/Israeli policy? What kind of message does "Dropping a bomb" on Iran send out to these young people? That these guys could be right? That we ( meaning them, the muslim kids) could be next? It just proves the research papers idea that a move like that could further fuel the terrorist movement and make matters for us here at home worse and our Men and Women in Afghanistan and Iraq even more dangerous.

[Gixxer]

I know that they condemned Israel publically but before that even happened Israel threataned to attack their nuclear facilities...why is that so insignificant? Is it because they are a moslem country?


I'm not 100% on this but I believe one of Irans own natural resources is Uranium. I don't know about that tie with Pakistan but it could also be that they are pretty close by and are also a Muslim nation.
As far as recruitment in the madrassas go, what do you think they are teaching them there? That the USA and Israel are out to get them?That the USA always turns a blind eye and gives Israel special priveledges when it comes to Arab/Israeli policy? What kind of message does "Dropping a bomb" on Iran send out to these young people? That these guys could be right? That we ( meaning them, the muslim kids) could be next? It just proves the research papers idea that a move like that could further fuel the terrorist movement and make matters for us here at home worse and our Men and Women in Afghanistan and Iraq even more dangerous.

a lot of things could fuel the fire, but they are looking to do just that intentionally, by some of the threats and comments the leader has made.... he may be one person but he commands a whole country and a country is only as good as its leader

[downhill]

he may be one person but he commands a whole country and a country is only as good as its leader

Eh? You should rethink that last statement.

[thepieman]

a lot of things could fuel the fire, but they are looking to do just that intentionally, by some of the threats and comments the leader has made.... he may be one person but he commands a whole country and a country is only as good as its leader

I don't understand...is it like sliding right by everyones mind that even before anything was even said that a threat to bombard their nuclear facilities was made prior to the insult??? Is that nothing to be found as insulting or threatening? To bomb probably a multi-million dollar government building thats located in a totally different country? I don't get it. If someone pulls a gun on me and later on I punch him in the face for pulling the gun on me...Im the only guilty one?

[David]

David
In this case Israel is making direct threats to bomb a nuclear facility that has not even been deemed as being nuclear capable yet. Its speculation. I hardly see the threat of bombing as a true diplomatic attempt at finding a solution. Was the president of Iran right at making his threats ? No, but the USA taking the side of just bombing Iran is not right and there is more then enough time in between now and the time that they can get thousands of centrifuges going to allow for the manufactur of Nuclear weaponry. I understand the right of Israel to defend herself but not the callous decision to do something that may bring us all into a World War.

The present Iranian president has not made threats aginst Israel? Do you believe that the current Persian administration has any interest in diplomacy with Israel? At this moment, all we see is posturing. In time, Iran will be a military nuclear power. At which point in time would you feel more comfortable establishing a rapport with said country, considering the history since WW2?

[David]

I know that they condemned Israel publically but before that even happened Israel threataned to attack their nuclear facilities...why is that so insignificant? Is it because they are a moslem country?

I question that timeline.
Old cold war remnants?

I'm not 100% on this but I believe one of Irans own natural resources is Uranium.

You are correct.

I don't know about that tie with Pakistan but it could also be that they are pretty close by and are also a Muslim nation.

Old cold war remnant. Pakistan has been an ally to the US for quite some time. Would they assist Iran in nuclear development? Why not.... Being allied with the USA does not dictate obedience.

As far as recruitment in the madrassas go, what do you think they are teaching them there? That the USA and Israel are out to get them?That the USA always turns a blind eye and gives Israel special priveledges when it comes to Arab/Israeli policy? What kind of message does "Dropping a bomb" on Iran send out to these young people? That these guys could be right? That we ( meaning them, the muslim kids) could be next? It just proves the research papers idea that a move like that could further fuel the terrorist movement and make matters for us here at home worse and our Men and Women in Afghanistan and Iraq even more dangerous.

And the Oil cartel has not become filthy rich with petrol dollars thanks to the US. Military purchases from America in the Middle East are hardly limited to Israel. The US has worked to draw allies in the region, but like the leaders with whom they deal, other agendas exist.

[David]

Sometimes I hate this world because it can be such an evil place.

The overwhelming majority of this universe is inhospitable to human life. Be content that we have our families in one of the more comfortable niches

[thepieman]

The present Iranian president has not made threats aginst Israel? Do you believe that the current Persian administration has any interest in diplomacy with Israel? At this moment, all we see is posturing. In time, Iran will be a military nuclear power. At which point in time would you feel more comfortable establishing a rapport with said country, considering the history since WW2?

I never said that Iran never made threats..I said that Israel made threats as well and it was even before the insults were hurled by Iran.

David
If nations like Pakistan, India and North Korea are in possession of Nukes, Israel is in possesion of Nukes, then who is to say that Iran shouldn't have them? (Really tho NONE OF THEM should have them!)
As Ariel Sharon once said "The Arabs may have the oil, but Israel has the matches"
I don't feel that any one country should be in control of such power. There should be some balance to even things out, or the threat of nuclear weaponry should be removed from the Middle East altogether.

Ze'ev Shiff, an Israeli military expert writing in Haaretz said, "Whoever believes that Israel will ever sign the UN Convention prohibiting the proliferation of nuclear weapons... is day dreaming,"

What it all boils down to, is that I think the USA should not support Israel's stance on bombardment first and ask questions later. I think the USA should give them at least 1 to 2 years to prove that their endeavor is truly for peaceful purposes without threats or provocation and at the same time the US should finally confront Israel in regards to their own WMD, Chemical and Biological programs aggressively. Not just for peace in the Middle East but for peace here in the USA as well , where we won't have to worry about looking over our shoulders constantly. It will not only show the rest of the world that we are fair and just, it will prove to the world that we show no favoritism when it comes to being a super power. If we are to bring freedom and democracy it should not be to the select few and the rest can do as they please. I have always dreamt of going to Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq and Turkey to see all the antiquity that they hold. I hope one day I can go without fear of being bombed, shot at, kidnapped or decapitated , and at the same time I do not wish to ever see a repeat of 9-11 here in my backyard again either.


Pie

[David]

I never said that Iran never made threats..I said that Israel made threats as well and it was even before the insults were hurled by Iran.


Pie

I question that timeline, but what you say illustrates a previous point. Whatever problem that exist across northern Africa and southern Asia, somehow Israel is fingered. As much leeway as Israel has been given, they have faced greater scrutiny (though not necessarily reprimand) than their neighbors. For as much money as Iran can offer Hizbollah or Hamas, the Palestinian refugees should be living well. No it is better to load them with weapons so they either kill Israelis or serve as living martyrs to the paranoid abuses of Israel. Terrific.


As far as not wishing to see another 9-11, or any further bloodshed, I am in full concordance. I will well remember that it was not fundamentalist Persians nor dog whipped Palestinians, but Saudi Wahabist that brought us into this present era.

[thepieman]

I question that timeline, but what you say illustrates a previous point. Whatever problem that exist across northern Africa and southern Asia, somehow Israel is fingered.

2003, Israel repeatedly demands sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program and threatens to bomb Iran's operating nuclear power plant, despite Iran's threats to retaliate hard against Israel. Arab and other nations repeatedly ask that Israel nuclear facilities come under international inspections. So does the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohammed el-Baradei. United Nations General Assembly passes resolution that Israel join the nonproliferation treaty by a vote of 164-4. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon tells Israeli newspaper that Israel will not dismantle its “special measures” because the U.S. will not remain in the Middle East forever.


Thats just from 2003.


Pie

[thepieman]

I also wanted to say that its kinda double standard to demand sanctions against a country and the very same country demanding the sanctions ignores a UN vote of 164-4 and a request from the IAEA itself.

[David]

I also wanted to say that its kinda double standard to demand sanctions against a country and the very same country demanding the sanctions ignores a UN vote of 164-4 and a request from the IAEA itself.

According to previous accounts, Israel has been nuclear for some time. Either that or it is one incredible bluff. It is bluster and posturing of enemy nations. BTW... who brought the UN vote to the floor against Israel.

The double standard is already in place. Why should the remains of the USSR, China, UK, France, China or the good ole US of A be permitted as lords over nuclear capabilities. This question has also been posed by non-nuclear nations. As best of an answer I can provide is part grandfathering, part stability.

off to work.... more later.

[Gixxer]

i do not take back the comments about a country is as only as good as it's leader ... i admit that is why the US is struggling right now, but that is also why we have people for the president to listen to and make and educated decision...there country's leader wants to wipe whole country's off the map and most of the people undewr him also and i think he/they will try to do just that given nukes (the capability)

[Izzo]

........off to work.... .

..pff yea right.

[David]

..pff yea right.

Well, I call it work.....

[Spammy]

Eh? You should rethink that last statement.[/QUOTE]

LOL reps sent

[Ghosthunter]

i do not take back the comments about a country is as only as good as it's leader ... i admit that is why the US is struggling right now, but that is also why we have people for the president to listen to and make and educated decision...there country's leader wants to wipe whole country's off the map and most of the people undewr him also and i think he/they will try to do just that given nukes (the capability)

good point despite i dont like Bush and the admistration for the most part....i never once herad Bush say he wants to wipe Iraq and Iran or any other nation and its people off the map.


If anything US has gone of its way to minimize losses as much as possible IMO


If they really wanted to they could have just obliterated Iraq and whatever country they want.

Difference is Iran wants to destroy all of Israel and all of the people

[David]

If they really wanted to they could have just obliterated Iraq and whatever country they want.

Difference is Iran wants to destroy all of Israel and all of the people

Well, we did kinda wiped the functioning nation of Iraq off the map and replaced it with an Afghanistan.

Iran has long been active in its destruction of Israel. Though I am not pleased with Persia having a nuclear arsenal, it is but a matter of time before they do. It is better to find the means to cope with it.

[Izzo]

Well, I call it work.....

That horizontal impaction has got to be a dandy one to have ...

[thepieman]

If they really wanted to they could have just obliterated Iraq and whatever country they want.

Difference is Iran wants to destroy all of Israel and all of the people

You keep saying that. You are not the first to have said it either.

Whats the difference between "They could of Obliterated" and "Wants to destroy".


None. Both are just as equally threatening. Both are just as equally dangerous.

[Ghosthunter]

You keep saying that. You are not the first to have said it either.

Whats the difference between "They could of Obliterated" and "Wants to destroy".


None. Both are just as equally threatening. Both are just as equally dangerous.

difference is we dont want to obliterate and kill innocent of millions and drop nukes...i mean if we did would have done so already

iran will and wont care who they hurt once they get the capability, that is their intention, so why wait for them to strike first? disable their capability.

we could have just massively bombed the crap out of iraq and totally destroyed the area and then left without even attempting to get a govt

[Gixxer]

difference is we dont want to obliterate and kill innocent of millions and drop nukes...i mean if we did would have done so already

iran will and wont care who they hurt once they get the capability, that is their intention, so why wait for them to strike first? disable their capability.

i agree .... pie?

[thepieman]

difference is we dont want to obliterate and kill innocent of millions and drop nukes...i mean if we did would have done so already

iran will and wont care who they hurt once they get the capability, that is their intention, so why wait for them to strike first? disable their capability.

we could have just massively bombed the crap out of iraq and totally destroyed the area and then left without even attempting to get a govt

Who is we? Oh I thought you were American.

WMD's are WMD's. Just because they are in your hands doesn't make them any less dangerous to the rest of the world if they are used.

[Ghosthunter]

Who is we? Oh I thought you were American.

WMD's are WMD's. Just because they are in your hands doesn't make them any less dangerous to the rest of the world if they are used.

I am talking from an Israel point of view

If I was Israel I would not be waiting for them to have the capability. They already said they wanted to wipe Israel off the map and they believe the holocaust is made up...it sounds like Hitler all over again, blaming everything on the Jews to rally their cause

[Gixxer]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. State Department is creating a special office to deal with foreign policy changes related to Iran and to promote a democratic transition in the Islamic republic, State Department officials said Thursday.


this spells war to me

[Gixxer]

The U.N. watchdog group, the International Atomic Energy Agency, wants Tehran to take action to prove its nuclear energy program is intended for peaceful purposes. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has ordered the Islamic state to end its voluntary cooperation with the IAEA.


and this spells cover up for what is really going on

[David]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. State Department is creating a special office to deal with foreign policy changes related to Iran and to promote a democratic transition in the Islamic republic, State Department officials said Thursday.


this spells war to me

Like it or not, Mahmoud was elected.

[Gixxer]

Like it or not, Mahmoud was elected.

that does not mean that there was not voter fraud and that also does not mean he is even close to the best person for the job.