I would say yes seeing as Evan views himself a G*d.Hell_Yes wrote:Will you lay down a groundwork, such as a formal religious education?
Why is the U.S.A. debating evolution?
One cannot discuss history in depth without discussing religions' (or lack of religions') impact on it.
Further, there are some "issues" with evolution. The theory is most probably correct in most instances. However, a strictly evolutionary reading would indicate that only those traits which are useful to survival will pass down through the generations. Thus the evolution of an opposable thumb.
However, there are some problems that arise because of this. For instance, art. We are the only animal on earth that actively constructs art. Yet there is no evolutionary purpose for this. It does nothing directly likely to aid in survival. Curiousity is another trait we (and many animals) posess which is not a pure survival trait. It is counter-survival, actually, in that being curious increases your exposure to risk. And we are insatiably curious.
That's one of the difficulties with pure evolution. It should tailor the species to survive very well in it's current static climate, yet limit, or eliminate, traits which increase risk or provide no direct benefit.
Yet here we are, curious cave painters. We are designed partly by evolution, and apparently partly NOT by evolution. It implies that there might actually be other forces at work in subtle ways. The possibility exists. And that is all that is required.
Do I subscribe to intelllignet design being taught in schools? No. But I do think it is appropriate to describe the limits of evolution theory in order to A) point out that our planet and our universe are phenominally complicated constructs and B) help the student to develop a critical mind when it comes to scientific "truths".
It was not that long ago that it was scientific "truth" that a man could not fly, or travel faster than the speed of sound, or go to the moon, or circumnavigate the globe. All those "truths" have been altered or shattered. There is no reason to believe that evolution theory is some holy construct that is incapable of being superceeded as mans knowledge of his world and his universe increase. In fact, its plain hubris to think so.
In a thousand years they may think of evolution as we think of the earth centric models of the universe. And it is important for students to get that side of the picture as well.
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Further, there are some "issues" with evolution. The theory is most probably correct in most instances. However, a strictly evolutionary reading would indicate that only those traits which are useful to survival will pass down through the generations. Thus the evolution of an opposable thumb.
However, there are some problems that arise because of this. For instance, art. We are the only animal on earth that actively constructs art. Yet there is no evolutionary purpose for this. It does nothing directly likely to aid in survival. Curiousity is another trait we (and many animals) posess which is not a pure survival trait. It is counter-survival, actually, in that being curious increases your exposure to risk. And we are insatiably curious.
That's one of the difficulties with pure evolution. It should tailor the species to survive very well in it's current static climate, yet limit, or eliminate, traits which increase risk or provide no direct benefit.
Yet here we are, curious cave painters. We are designed partly by evolution, and apparently partly NOT by evolution. It implies that there might actually be other forces at work in subtle ways. The possibility exists. And that is all that is required.
Do I subscribe to intelllignet design being taught in schools? No. But I do think it is appropriate to describe the limits of evolution theory in order to A) point out that our planet and our universe are phenominally complicated constructs and B) help the student to develop a critical mind when it comes to scientific "truths".
It was not that long ago that it was scientific "truth" that a man could not fly, or travel faster than the speed of sound, or go to the moon, or circumnavigate the globe. All those "truths" have been altered or shattered. There is no reason to believe that evolution theory is some holy construct that is incapable of being superceeded as mans knowledge of his world and his universe increase. In fact, its plain hubris to think so.
In a thousand years they may think of evolution as we think of the earth centric models of the universe. And it is important for students to get that side of the picture as well.
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As to the original question.. The US has a VERY strong religious component. For a lot of these people, evolution (and the way it's proponents frequently behave) is seen as an attack on the truthfulness of the creation story, and therefore an attack on the Christian religion itself. It is something "felt".
Alternative theories that provide for the truth of the creation story to be maintained are welcomed because there is less or no conflict wth their existing belief structure.
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Alternative theories that provide for the truth of the creation story to be maintained are welcomed because there is less or no conflict wth their existing belief structure.
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Crudely put...... Artists get laid, thus the skill is propagated. Creativity is rewarded.
Jocularity aside, we are not the only species which is curious, nor are we the only species, arguably, that creates art. Art has a place in survival with story telling, serving as an adjunct to relaying skills to the following generation.
Jocularity aside, we are not the only species which is curious, nor are we the only species, arguably, that creates art. Art has a place in survival with story telling, serving as an adjunct to relaying skills to the following generation.
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What happens when you reach the top of the foodchain? Art (in the most general sense) may be the only thing that keeps us going. Maybe at some point survival isn't just for survival's sake anymore.Bouncer wrote:<chop>
However, there are some problems that arise because of this. For instance, art. We are the only animal on earth that actively constructs art. Yet there is no evolutionary purpose for this. It does nothing directly likely to aid in survival. Curiousity is another trait we (and many animals) posess which is not a pure survival trait. It is counter-survival, actually, in that being curious increases your exposure to risk. And we are insatiably curious.
That's one of the difficulties with pure evolution. It should tailor the species to survive very well in it's current static climate, yet limit, or eliminate, traits which increase risk or provide no direct benefit.
A totally bored species, that has all it needs to literally survive will die off. Maybe that is what's behind 'elephant graveyards'.
Our species is married to tools, inventions. Without curiousity it could be argued that we would already be extinct...
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Bouncer wrote:One cannot discuss history in depth without discussing religions' (or lack of religions') impact on it.
Further, there are some "issues" with evolution. The theory is most probably correct in most instances. However, a strictly evolutionary reading would indicate that only those traits which are useful to survival will pass down through the generations. Thus the evolution of an opposable thumb.
However, there are some problems that arise because of this. For instance, art. We are the only animal on earth that actively constructs art. Yet there is no evolutionary purpose for this. It does nothing directly likely to aid in survival. Curiousity is another trait we (and many animals) posess which is not a pure survival trait. It is counter-survival, actually, in that being curious increases your exposure to risk. And we are insatiably curious.
That's one of the difficulties with pure evolution. It should tailor the species to survive very well in it's current static climate, yet limit, or eliminate, traits which increase risk or provide no direct benefit.
Yet here we are, curious cave painters. We are designed partly by evolution, and apparently partly NOT by evolution. It implies that there might actually be other forces at work in subtle ways. The possibility exists. And that is all that is required.
Do I subscribe to intelllignet design being taught in schools? No. But I do think it is appropriate to describe the limits of evolution theory in order to A) point out that our planet and our universe are phenominally complicated constructs and B) help the student to develop a critical mind when it comes to scientific "truths".
It was not that long ago that it was scientific "truth" that a man could not fly, or travel faster than the speed of sound, or go to the moon, or circumnavigate the globe. All those "truths" have been altered or shattered. There is no reason to believe that evolution theory is some holy construct that is incapable of being superceeded as mans knowledge of his world and his universe increase. In fact, its plain hubris to think so.
In a thousand years they may think of evolution as we think of the earth centric models of the universe. And it is important for students to get that side of the picture as well.
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This sounds like something more for a philosphy class. I did take some philosophy classes in college, and we disucssed some of the very issues you mentioned as well as discussed the flaws and inconsistiencies of the bible
[quote="De Plano"]To go along with "artists get laid" idea birds have elaborate dances as a mating ritual and/or build elaborate things to attract female birds. That could be considered "art" (although I would not consider most modern dance art, but that is just personal taste ]
So do humans, but art, or creative thought, is not likely to be propogated by evolution. It is not a *necessary* survival trait. That's really the point I'm making. It's a luxury, if you will, and evolution doesn't really provide for "cause it's neat!" as a reason for developing the capacity to appreciate or the desire to create art.
Evolution provides darker skin for people in africa, and folded eyes for people in asia. But there isn't any reason for it to provide for philosophy.
And yes, this is all better discussed in a philosophy class, and again, I am NOT for intelligent design being taught as science. It is not science. What I am for, is not treating evolution as some holy scripture, because to do so, is to fall into the same exact trap that Ptolemy (and Aristotle before him) did.
The universe is an almost infinetly nuanced construct. There are regions where gravity is NOT a constant, and yet, for most of the universe as we know it, it is. Places where light is not a constant, moving slower (or faster) than normal. That something more than pure evolution is involved in our development is possible. After all, if neither gravity nor light are constants, then why should something as complex as evolution be? And if it's NOT constant...
Therefore, we must treat evolution as a theory, and not an absolute. And it is important for students to see it in that context. It is a partially postulated explanation of how some animals are likely to develop over time in certain circumstances. There are, apparently, exceptions. Or, as a scientist I know likes to describe it: "A platypus is God giving the finger to Charles Darwin."
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So do humans, but art, or creative thought, is not likely to be propogated by evolution. It is not a *necessary* survival trait. That's really the point I'm making. It's a luxury, if you will, and evolution doesn't really provide for "cause it's neat!" as a reason for developing the capacity to appreciate or the desire to create art.
Evolution provides darker skin for people in africa, and folded eyes for people in asia. But there isn't any reason for it to provide for philosophy.
And yes, this is all better discussed in a philosophy class, and again, I am NOT for intelligent design being taught as science. It is not science. What I am for, is not treating evolution as some holy scripture, because to do so, is to fall into the same exact trap that Ptolemy (and Aristotle before him) did.
The universe is an almost infinetly nuanced construct. There are regions where gravity is NOT a constant, and yet, for most of the universe as we know it, it is. Places where light is not a constant, moving slower (or faster) than normal. That something more than pure evolution is involved in our development is possible. After all, if neither gravity nor light are constants, then why should something as complex as evolution be? And if it's NOT constant...
Therefore, we must treat evolution as a theory, and not an absolute. And it is important for students to see it in that context. It is a partially postulated explanation of how some animals are likely to develop over time in certain circumstances. There are, apparently, exceptions. Or, as a scientist I know likes to describe it: "A platypus is God giving the finger to Charles Darwin."
Regards,
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At some point or another, all our 'laws' break down. We call it 'The Law of Gravity', but as you point out it certainly isn't universally applicable.Bouncer wrote:The universe is an almost infinetly nuanced construct. There are regions where gravity is NOT a constant, and yet, for most of the universe as we know it, it is. And if it's NOT constant...
Therefore, we must treat evolution as a theory, and not an absolute. And it is important for students to see it in that context.
All science is a theory, but it's based on external observations or repeatable, measurable events. Religion appears to be based on personal revelation (feelings, intutition) and because it is personal, it can never mean EXACTLY the same thing to two people. In any case, you aren't meant to question whatever your god says - it should be taken on faith so you don't get punished in the after-life.
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Blisster wrote:If it truly is jsut about "equality" in the classroom, then they should start teaching the "Theory of Evolution" as a possibility in church and sunday school too, no?
That would be a first step. Let's see the comparisons between hinduism, islam, fallun gong (sp?) and other sects of christianity in Sunday school - letting the kids choose for themselves. That would be impressive!
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You are kidding right? If a child is brought up in a home where 1 is 2 and pink is blue and has nothing else to base it on, he "thinks" that is truth. We teach our children (hopefully) what we ourselves believe to be truth, moral and just and when they are old enough to reason such personal and deep thoughts they can then decide for themselves. Parents have serious responsibility and accountability to teach their children and are going to be held responsible one way or another in time. In our church we (adults) do in fact study other religions, not to see if we'd like to "switch", but to examine their basic doctrinal foundation and learn to love them and not offend them when we might share our faith. Besides, why would a church present such teachings as possible truth that are contradictive to their own beliefs? Sounds more like a public school to me.cyberskye wrote:
That would be a first step. Let's see the comparisons between hinduism, islam, fallun gong (sp?) and other sects of christianity in Sunday school - letting the kids choose for themselves. That would be impressive!
Hell_Yes wrote:Will you lay down a groundwork, such as a formal religious education?
Only if she expresses the interest but we hope to foster her inspiration to do so by being open and honest about it.
Mackenzie has asked about God already. I told her that God was everywhere all the time and that she should talk to God from her heart. I also told her that God loves her in ways that she may not understand and to not ever be afraid to talk to us about God.
That's the best I could do at the moment it came up.
Awesome.UOD wrote:Only if she expresses the interest but we hope to foster her inspiration to do so by being open and honest about it.
Mackenzie has asked about God already. I told her that God was everywhere all the time and that she should talk to God from her heart. I also told her that God loves her in ways that she may not understand and to not ever be afraid to talk to us about God.
That's the best I could do at the moment it came up.
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Spammy wrote:Awesome.
Yeah, it is neat to see how a child develops over time. I try to not cast doubt on things I might not fully understand myself by keeping the filters big and open.
Like I think the first question about God that she asked was this:
Is God our family?
SO I told her yes and no. God is part of alot of people's families and has to visit alot of people so you have to learn to share God with other kids and other families. But while we can't see God in our family we can see how God works sometimes in our family. Like when Mommy smiles at you...maybe God helped to make her feel happy about something which made her think about you...and she smiled. God makes families happy alot. Again, off the cuff but tempered with my best honest answers.
UOD, You sound like a an awsome father. I can tell you speak with total passion when talking about her. I think it is awesome that you at least tell her God exist. She will make that leap when she is old enuff to make that decision. I believe if you force religion on someone they will learn to hate it.UOD wrote:Yeah, it is neat to see how a child develops over time. I try to not cast doubt on things I might not fully understand myself by keeping the filters big and open.
Like I think the first question about God that she asked was this:
Is God our family?
SO I told her yes and no. God is part of alot of people's families and has to visit alot of people so you have to learn to share God with other kids and other families. But while we can't see God in our family we can see how God works sometimes in our family. Like when Mommy smiles at you...maybe God helped to make her feel happy about something which made her think about you...and she smiled. God makes families happy alot. Again, off the cuff but tempered with my best honest answers.
So I think you are making the right decision.
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Depends on what you're teaching them.Prey521 wrote:So raising/teaching your children about God is brainwashing?
The truth, or what YOU believe.
It would be brainwashing for me to teach children my beliefs as well, if I put it to them as though it were true. Do you think I should tell kids the truth (there is no God) or should I let them find out for themselves?
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You are God Norm, why would you lie about your own identityNorm wrote:Depends on what you're teaching them.
The truth, or what YOU believe.
It would be brainwashing for me to teach children my beliefs as well, if I put it to them as though it were true. Do you think I should tell kids the truth (there is no God) or should I let them find out for themselves?
well if its something that you believe in, then yes..The same way those 2 little girls that you posted about (The 2 little twin racists) have been "Home Schooled" by their parents and taught about racism and nazi-ism and now at the age of 12 are singing about Nazi's and crap...its the same thing if you teach your kid about your religeon or faith.Prey521 wrote:So raising/teaching your children about God is brainwashing?
If you are constantly teaching them your way, then they will think your way. Cmon thats common sense thinking, don't act like you wouldn't realize that its a form of brainwashing.
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Telling you kid about Christ is NOT brainwashing, However forcing your kids to believe what you believe is brainwashing.thepieman wrote:well if its something that you believe in, then yes..The same way those 2 little girls that you posted about (The 2 little twin racists) have been "Home Schooled" by their parents and taught about racism and nazi-ism and now at the age of 12 are singing about Nazi's and crap...its the same thing if you teach your kid about your religeon or faith.
If you are constantly teaching them your way, then they will think your way. Cmon thats common sense thinking, don't act like you wouldn't realize that its a form of brainwashing.
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When speaking to your kids about your religious beliefs, is there a difference?Spammy wrote:Telling you kid about Christ is NOT brainwashing, However forcing your kids to believe what you believe is brainwashing.
You are their world - their everything. If you tell them something is true they'll want to agree/believe so as to secure your approval.
As in negotiation/interrogation, it's all in how the question/statement is posed - Is this telling them about the 'Theory of Christ' or about your religion/beliefs (in which there is no theory at all)?
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Ok maybe we should go this route. Telling your kids about christ is not brainwashing. It is showing them what Christ has done for me. I love Christ and I definitley will show them that.cyberskye wrote:When speaking to your kids about your religious beliefs, is there a difference?
You are their world - their everything. If you tell them something is true they'll want to agree/believe so as to secure your approval.
As in negotiation/interrogation, it's all in how the question/statement is posed - Is this telling them about the 'Theory of Christ' or about your religion/beliefs (in which there is no theory at all)?
If my kids decide to accept Christ as there Lord and savior "awesome" If they choose not to it is there decision. I don't think that is brainwasing.
If so please tell me how.
That is like son lets go to a baseball game look how much i love this sport. So now you must love it. It's not like that cyber. My kids will learn from me and if they decide to run with it cool If not that is there decision.
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Teaching your kids about God, faith/beliefs is not brainwashing. As Christians, we know that there is a heaven and hell, right and wrong and it is up to us to make the decisions in our life. God does not make any decisions for us, we choose to follow Him, and if we don't, we know the consequences of that action, some choose to follow, some choose to stray. Yes, their are extremist, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Christianity, when taught properly, is a faith based on love and compassion for our fellowman. So to call being brought up in this manner "brainwashing" is incorrect IMO since the definition of brainwashing is to forcibly CHANGE ones belief on any particular matter (usually to change from a positive to a negative).
Christianity should never be forced on anyone, unfortunately that does happen. We're supposed to preach and spread the Word according to the Great Commission. If the hearers choose to follow, then Amen, if they choose to ignore it, then we move on with the knowledge that we've planted that seed in their heart and pray that they will open their hearts to God. Children do not have any beliefs that need changing, they take in what their parents and those around them feed to them.
Those girls are not racists cuz they were brainwashed, they're racist because they've been fed that white supremacist garbage their entire life, they don't know anything else. Now if they were raised to believe that everyone is equal, and then their parents taught them to believe that they're superior to everyone cuz of their skin color, then that's brainwashing.
Christianity should never be forced on anyone, unfortunately that does happen. We're supposed to preach and spread the Word according to the Great Commission. If the hearers choose to follow, then Amen, if they choose to ignore it, then we move on with the knowledge that we've planted that seed in their heart and pray that they will open their hearts to God. Children do not have any beliefs that need changing, they take in what their parents and those around them feed to them.
Those girls are not racists cuz they were brainwashed, they're racist because they've been fed that white supremacist garbage their entire life, they don't know anything else. Now if they were raised to believe that everyone is equal, and then their parents taught them to believe that they're superior to everyone cuz of their skin color, then that's brainwashing.
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If you bring your kid up constantly telling him things you believe to be true then he will also grow up to believe them. If I raise my kid bring him to Church, tell him that the pope is our spiritual leader, Catholicism is the way to go, any other religeon is wrong, Catholics will be the only people to recieve salvataion etc etc, he will be Catholic more then likely by the time he's an adult. Of Course its brain washing! Your child is of course susceptible to believe what you believe, if you tell your kid Zebras are Blue and white before they are of school age and they go to school and the teacher tells them a Zebra is black and white, what do u think the child will believe?Spammy wrote:Telling you kid about Christ is NOT brainwashing, However forcing your kids to believe what you believe is brainwashing.
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brain·wash·ing Audio pronunciation of "brainwashing" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (brnwshng, -wôshng)
n.
1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.
2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.
A parent teaching his or her child any religion, politic or hate for that matter would not count as brainwashing. They are instilling a belief system upon a clean slate.
n.
1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.
2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.
A parent teaching his or her child any religion, politic or hate for that matter would not count as brainwashing. They are instilling a belief system upon a clean slate.
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i think the best thing to do is not tell your children anything at all. let them learn and decide for themselves as they grow older.
my parents didnt take me to church until i was 8 years old. and i can proudly say that i am an agnostic and that i believe without a shadow of a doubt that christianity is a farce. but im not going to tell my kids that. you see people, if you tell your kid something is true before their bull**** detectors have time to develop, then that is brainwashing.
my parents didnt take me to church until i was 8 years old. and i can proudly say that i am an agnostic and that i believe without a shadow of a doubt that christianity is a farce. but im not going to tell my kids that. you see people, if you tell your kid something is true before their bull**** detectors have time to develop, then that is brainwashing.
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I can't believe that you guys are actually denying that if you have a kid and you teach him what you believe constantly, year after year , week after week , that its not a form of brainwashing. It sure as hell is not free thinking if thats what you are going to imply. Its amazing that I notice things that I say and I hear my son repeating it to his friends or even having some of my mannerisms. Thats free thinking at work I guess, and it wouldn't have anything to do with parents impressing themselves into their children? How does brainwashing work? Repetitive statements, reactions, and ideas on a constant basis isn't it? Forgive me if Im wrong but I could have swore thats how brainwashing worked. I was baptised as a Catholic, recieved communion as a Catholic, went to Catholic school, Confirmed as a Catholic, went to catholic High School and none of that was my choice, I thought thats how everyone else was. So yes it is a form of brainwashing.bigmo66 wrote:I can't believe this thread has evolved into accusations of Parent's brainwashing their kids because they have the nerve to tell them about spiritual convictions. How about I raise my kids as I see fit without the judgement of strangers.
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Some of the replies are way off base. If I teach my kid that 12x12=144 and stealing is bad, I guess I am brainwashing him or her. They should surpass the bs detector age and find out if stealing is bad and 12x12=144 is true for them as well as Dad? Yeah, I teach my kids year after year about life as I see it in hopes that they will have some direction. We aren't talking about racism, hatred, murder & malice here, but quite the opposite.
Find another angle as that is rediculous reasoning. Go back and read David's post about the definition of brainwashing.
Find another angle as that is rediculous reasoning. Go back and read David's post about the definition of brainwashing.
My parents taught me as a Roman Catholic.. but they also told me after I was 18 yrs old I could make up my own decision.
I believe that God is real.. but I also believe that other people don't have the authority to tell other people what is right and wrong, or what to believe in.
I think that it its the decision of the individual if they want to believe in.
Shinobi
I believe that God is real.. but I also believe that other people don't have the authority to tell other people what is right and wrong, or what to believe in.
I think that it its the decision of the individual if they want to believe in.
Shinobi
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Parents teach their children subconciously anyways. Their children model after their parents.. well duh! The first people that they know are their parents so obviously they are going to do anything that they do or believe that anything that they do is right.
You remember that time when you were a kid that you thought your dad was a super hero, that he could never do wrong, that he was always right? Well that is a phase that everyone goes through and that every kid is GOING to go through.
My parents were very open minded in teaching us. I went to a sikh temple a lot when I was a kid but my dad always pointed out the bull **** that is going on. It is important as parents to raise your kids with open minds. I am not saying that religion is always an evil thing. Organized religion is for sure but there is lots of good that religion has done. Unfortuneately it does not out weigh the evil that it has spawned. Teach your kids to be catholics / what have you as long as you also teach them the other side.
That is brain washing - teaching your kids one side of the wall and ignoring the other side. Either way in our society by the time that you hit the mid teens you begin to question your parents and think for yourself (and hopefully dress for yourself too!). Atleast in Canada this is how it usually happens... Keep in mind anything public is very secular in Canada which is the way that it should be.
On a side note - my dad taught me to pray to god and thank him for all that he has given me. I say f*ck that bull****. It is my parents that slaved upon entering country when they had nothing (which was absolutely nothing - i am not joking, they had NOTHING when they came except a blanket) and saved up and gave everything to their kids. My parents fed me, not god. My parents taught me how to ride a bike, not god. My parents were there for me when I was sick, doing whatever they could to cease the virulent interloper, not god. God might have created SOMETHING that eventually evolved to humans but he didn't give me crap! My parents gave me life.
You should first worship your parents, then some make belief diety.
I am saying this as an athiest here. Despite the fact that I went to the temple as a kid and my dad taught me to thank god, I am now a self proclaimed atheist.
Yeah - that's what they are paid to do. Teach your children secular information. You can teach the secular stuff. If it isn't work then pay them more. According to your capitalist system if you throw enough money into something, it should work...
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Preet
You remember that time when you were a kid that you thought your dad was a super hero, that he could never do wrong, that he was always right? Well that is a phase that everyone goes through and that every kid is GOING to go through.
My parents were very open minded in teaching us. I went to a sikh temple a lot when I was a kid but my dad always pointed out the bull **** that is going on. It is important as parents to raise your kids with open minds. I am not saying that religion is always an evil thing. Organized religion is for sure but there is lots of good that religion has done. Unfortuneately it does not out weigh the evil that it has spawned. Teach your kids to be catholics / what have you as long as you also teach them the other side.
That is brain washing - teaching your kids one side of the wall and ignoring the other side. Either way in our society by the time that you hit the mid teens you begin to question your parents and think for yourself (and hopefully dress for yourself too!). Atleast in Canada this is how it usually happens... Keep in mind anything public is very secular in Canada which is the way that it should be.
On a side note - my dad taught me to pray to god and thank him for all that he has given me. I say f*ck that bull****. It is my parents that slaved upon entering country when they had nothing (which was absolutely nothing - i am not joking, they had NOTHING when they came except a blanket) and saved up and gave everything to their kids. My parents fed me, not god. My parents taught me how to ride a bike, not god. My parents were there for me when I was sick, doing whatever they could to cease the virulent interloper, not god. God might have created SOMETHING that eventually evolved to humans but he didn't give me crap! My parents gave me life.
You should first worship your parents, then some make belief diety.
I am saying this as an athiest here. Despite the fact that I went to the temple as a kid and my dad taught me to thank god, I am now a self proclaimed atheist.
Prey521 wrote:And leave that to our school system and the kids friends? You must be out yo mind!
Yeah - that's what they are paid to do. Teach your children secular information. You can teach the secular stuff. If it isn't work then pay them more. According to your capitalist system if you throw enough money into something, it should work...
. Preet
