Should Marine General be disciplined for comment?

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:13 am

Seems a Marine General made a comment during an interview or somewhere that is causing a stir. Fox News has a poll - What should be done about the Marine Corps general who said, "It's fun to shoot some people"?

The comment must be taken in context or it appears much harsher than actually meant. Of course the liberal, dilusional press takes the comment for their agenda and wants him to burn at the stake. I guess it's not O.K. to kill murderous, violent insurgents, but it is perfectly fine, legal, noble to cut a living being to shreds and suck them out with a vacuum.

WTF is wrong with this country? Our "Freedom of choice" is being abused profusely and is leading to out premature demise.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:19 am

http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=167737

And to answer your question, no I don't think he should be disciplined.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:36 am

Cripes...he's a Marine. They are trained to kill folks, get praised for doing such...so ya it prolly is fun to get the job done. I want the guys fighting for my side to be ruthless killers that get the job done efficiently and quickly. Sounds like he has the idea down pat.

What that Marine outta do is watch what he says around people that have NO clue as to what his job entails. There are folks out there that think any problem can be solved by being "nice" and "kind". Problem with that is it ain't true and it takes soldiers to sort those other problems out. His job is not pleasant and brutal honesty makes some others uneasy. Hopefully logic prevails and it blows over for the General.

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:37 am

Well, if he thinks it's fun to kill people he's certainly in the right job, and place for it.

Diciplined? For what? Saying how he feels?
gimme a break.

Now if he was going around killing non combatants and thought it was fun, that's a whole different ballgame.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:41 am

bigmo66 wrote:Seems a Marine General made a comment during an interview or somewhere that is causing a stir. Fox News has a poll - What should be done about the Marine Corps general who said, "It's fun to shoot some people"?

The comment must be taken in context or it appears much harsher than actually meant. Of course the liberal, dilusional press takes the comment for their agenda and wants him to burn at the stake. I guess it's not O.K. to kill murderous, violent insurgents, but it is perfectly fine, legal, noble to cut a living being to shreds and suck them out with a vacuum.

WTF is wrong with this country? Our "Freedom of choice" is being abused profusely and is leading to out premature demise.

IMO no,he should'nt be disciplined,

being in the public eye,he should watch what he says,only to save himself trouble.

minir · Post by **minir** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:52 am

Hi bigmo66

Perhaps he might have phrased it differently, but overall in the context of his Job he did nothing wrong imho and no discipline should be applied.

It is sad that the Media focuses on every word said by people and uses such to stir controversy for their own purposes. There are so many groups out there lurking in the shadows awaiting a stumble by anyone that would allow them to pounce, its a miracle anyone is willing to express their thoughts on any subject, ever.

I personally believe the Media should be in the business of Reporting the News and not trying to make it.

--

regards

minir

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:52 am

Dan wrote:IMO no,he should'nt be disciplined,

being in the public eye,he should watch what he says,only to save himself trouble.

My sentiments exactly. No use in giving bleeding hearts ammo.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:57 am

This is the land of free speech, he can say whatever the hell he wants.

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:57 am

no, watch his mouth in public, yes...

ppl may not like it but we need guys like this doing what he does...thats kind of the point behind his career...

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:32 am

bigmo66 wrote: No use in giving bleeding hearts ammo.

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:22 pm

but what he said is true to an extent - think about how much fun it would be to cap Osama ...

morbidpete · Post by **morbidpete** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:23 pm

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote: no I don't think he should be disciplined.

nope

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:34 pm

When you see an individual kill someone you know, you want to kill them. I’m not sure “like” fits the situation... but the desire is there. Got to watch what you say publicly General. Think it… but don’t say it.

Semper Fi

*Edit*

I want to date Philip's wife. Thinking that makes me warm inside. Saying it out loud well cause my point count to drop to 0 and more red squares added to my name.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:10 pm

without people like him our country wouldn't exist......

Kuddos to him!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:15 pm

Its true, so what, I WANT soldiers to like killing, dont want them scared of the fricking gun LOL

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:17 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Its true, so what, I WANT soldiers to like killing, dont want them scared of the fricking gun LOL

QFT!!!

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:49 pm

bigmo66 wrote:Seems a Marine General made a comment during an interview or somewhere that is causing a stir. Fox News has a poll - What should be done about the Marine Corps general who said, "It's fun to shoot some people"?

The comment must be taken in context or it appears much harsher than actually meant. Of course the liberal, dilusional press takes the comment for their agenda and wants him to burn at the stake. I guess it's not O.K. to kill murderous, violent insurgents, but it is perfectly fine, legal, noble to cut a living being to shreds and suck them out with a vacuum.

WTF is wrong with this country? Our "Freedom of choice" is being abused profusely and is leading to out premature demise.

Points:
1) Since when is FOX the "liberal, dilusional press"?

2) It's not the medias fault the General shot his trap off in public. You know it, I know it. Stop blaming them for his engaging his mouth before his brain.

3) He made the comments on tape at a public meeting where he was an invited speaker. Did he think they WOULDN'T report it?

4) It's a tempest in a teapot, though all the other Generals will probably be snickering and pointing at him on the Pentagon Playground for a little while.

5) i would rather live in a coutry where the media is free to report this gaffe than one where they are not. How about you? Do you really want to relocate to cuba?

(As an aside I'm so tempted to make one of those "America, love it or leave it Hitler!" type comments my skin itches. Not because I believe it, but because it would be terrifically ironic. It really would be. You gotta admit that.

)

So all the hard core lefty groups will yap about it, and the right side groups will yap about the left side groups and the General will get some sort of a "Don't be stupid in public!" lecture from someone and in the end, w'll all go watch the superbowl and argue about the TV commercials.

I'm betting on the Budweisers this year!

Regards,
-Bouncer-

chevyman282 · Post by **chevyman282** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:58 pm

He has a dirty job to do..(the General)...I would not want that job, but Thank the powers that be that someone will do it..I heard this interview and actually it was not as bad as Fox news made it out to be..any thing to make a interesting headline, I guess was the case here..

He is in uniform, so I guess that makes him a target..even here in the States..

Chevyman..

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:03 pm

He should not be diciplined, but on the other hand I would not promote him any further and the rest of his assignments would be places where he could do no harm. You cant bring bad light on the Corps and a man in his position should know that.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:26 pm

Bouncer wrote:
the TV commercials.

I'm betting on the Budweisers this year!

Regards,
-Bouncer-

hell ya! thats because there is going to be 12 of them with no wardrobe malfunctions.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:55 pm

Bouncer wrote:Points:
1) Since when is FOX the "liberal, dilusional press"?

2) It's not the medias fault the General shot his trap off in public. You know it, I know it. Stop blaming them for his engaging his mouth before his brain.

3) He made the comments on tape at a public meeting where he was an invited speaker. Did he think they WOULDN'T report it?

4) It's a tempest in a teapot, though all the other Generals will probably be snickering and pointing at him on the Pentagon Playground for a little while.

5) i would rather live in a coutry where the media is free to report this gaffe than one where they are not. How about you? Do you really want to relocate to cuba?

(As an aside I'm so tempted to make one of those "America, love it or leave it Hitler!" type comments my skin itches. Not because I believe it, but because it would be terrifically ironic. It really would be. You gotta admit that. )

So all the hard core lefty groups will yap about it, and the right side groups will yap about the left side groups and the General will get some sort of a "Don't be stupid in public!" lecture from someone and in the end, w'll all go watch the superbowl and argue about the TV commercials.

I'm betting on the Budweisers this year!

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Counterpoints:

The only thing I mentioned about FOX News is that they had a poll, not anything else.

Who said it is the medias fault for his words? The media thrives on this stuff, not because "it's reporting", but because it all points back to the Bush administration.

He's a Marine and I doubt he gives a rat's a$$ what the media thinks, but unfortunately it goes back to point #2 and the media's desire to spew $hit whenever it can.

The other Generals wish they had the cahonas to do the same.

Nothing wrong with the media being "free" to report, but there was a time when they still reported positive stuff also. I blame the general public for this partially as everyone loves dirt these days.

...on the other hand it's O.K. to have differing opinions cuz otherwise life would be boring

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:06 pm

yep i agree Mo...dirty laundry...no one cares about lil Johnny and the cat he saves, everyone wants the 20 car pileup on hwy 75 or the lastest juice on the hollywood love affairs, or the guy that was helping rebuild a country and got murdered for it...

so yeah i blame the media, they want blood and nothing else...pure protien is not good for the system, you need other things to balance it out...else you get ill...so follows this country...look at all the websites dedicated to GORE...there is something fd up with that dont you think? i blame the media, why...cause i can... its America!!!

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:08 pm

Bastid wrote:yep i agree Mo...dirty laundry...no one cares about lil Johnny and the cat he saves, everyone wants the 20 car pileup on hwy 75 or the lastest juice on the Hollywood love affairs, or the guy that was helping rebuild a country and got murdered for it...

so yeah i blame the media, they want blood and nothing else...pure protein is not good for the system, you need other things to balance it out...else you get ill...so follows this country...look at all the websites dedicated to GORE...there is something FD up with that dont you think? i blame the media, why...cause i can... its America!!!

Choice exists, my friends.

If the prurient and salacious programing did not grab the eye sockets and pockets of the US, it would not be broadcasted.

It is not a "liberal" news media. Anyone can be targetted, as long as the story meets standards of interest (vulgarity, licentiousness or plan humiliation). No matter how you cut, it is far better to examine several sources to obtain information.

david

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:58 pm

nepenthe wrote:Choice exists, my friends.

If the prurient and salacious programing did not grab the eye sockets and pockets of the US, it would not be broadcasted.

It is not a "liberal" news media. Anyone can be targetted, as long as the story meets standards of interest (vulgarity, licentiousness or plan humiliation). No matter how you cut, it is far better to examine several sources to obtain information.

david

ok i didnt realise i was talking about the liberal thing...rather the us as humans and the media feeding it to us not knowing what the potential fallout could be...and the fact that i was just venting

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:35 pm

It is fun to shoot some people. We need crazy sons bitches like that out there, and I want crazy sons bitches like that out there.

LukeMan · Post by **LukeMan** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:26 pm

Marine General Is Told To Speak 'More Carefully'
By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 4, 2005

...........................

"Marine Corps Commandant Michael W. Hagee also praised Mattis in a written statement as "one of the country's bravest and most experienced military leaders," who led his troops "brilliantly."

"While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war," Hagee said. "Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor. I have counseled him concerning his remarks, and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully."

Mattis, who is commanding general of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command at Quantico, declined an interview request yesterday. His remarks have raised eyebrows at the Pentagon before. When his troops captured an airstrip in southern Afghanistan in November 2001, he declared: "The Marines have landed, and we now own a piece of Afghanistan."

Before leading the 1st Marine Division back to Iraq in 2004, he wrote his troops a letter stating: "You, my fine young men, are going to prove the enemy wrong -- dead wrong"

I have no problem with anything he said, been there, done that (RVN 1967).

TLM

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:23 am

LukeMan wrote:Before leading the 1st Marine Division back to Iraq in 2004, he wrote his troops a letter stating: "You, my fine young men, are going to prove the enemy wrong -- dead wrong"

Love it!

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:01 am

United States Marine
Leader of men, teller of tall tales, legend in his own mind, U.S. Marine extraordinaire, stream fordable, air dropable, beer fueled, water cooled, author, history maker, lecturer, traveler, freedom fighter, defender of the faith. Wars fought, tigers tamed, revolutions started, bars emptied, alligators castrated.

that (pause for effect) is an awesome statement sir!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:14 am

We cant make our soldiers good killing machines and then tell them to act like they're on the barney show. Its like a teacher or IT guy saying "I like my job"

This had to start from some news reporter.

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:43 am

ScottE wrote:It is fun to shoot some people. We need crazy sons bitches like that out there, and I want crazy sons bitches like that out there.

Lukeman wrote:Before leading the 1st Marine Division back to Iraq in 2004, he wrote his troops a letter stating: "You, my fine young men, are going to prove the enemy wrong -- dead wrong"

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:10 pm

Bastid wrote:ok i didn't realize i was talking about the liberal thing...rather the us as humans and the media feeding it to us not knowing what the potential fallout could be...and the fact that i was just venting

I should have been a bit more concise. Unfortunately, I tend to respond to the fatuous whine of those speaking of the "liberal media". No, it was not you who had done so. However, you did infer that the media is responsible for the crap we are fed. That is half true. Alternative abound, yet the eyes of the masses are drawn to the lurid, bread and circuses. It behooves the news sources to offer what titillates, outrages and pulls heart strings. The adrenalin or oxytocin rush one can enjoy from the comfort of an armchair or car seat.

They sell it because we buy it (as per my friend, bigmo66

).

david

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:18 pm

In defense of the General, it is the personality archetype of his occupation. You cannot fault a wolf for being what is his nature, only to maintain him in his environment which was intended. Appreciate his beauty, but be aware that it might be wise to keep him at a safe distance.

david

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:19 pm

nepenthe wrote:In defense of the General, it is the personality archetype of his occupation. You cannot fault a wolf for being what is his nature, only to maintain him in his environment which was intended. Appreciate his beauty, but be aware that it might be wise to keep him at a safe distance.

david

Nice, i like it!

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:32 pm

nepenthe wrote:In defense of the General, it is the personality archetype of his occupation. You cannot fault a wolf for being what is his nature, only to maintain him in his environment which was intended. Appreciate his beauty, but be aware that it might be wise to keep him at a safe distance.

david

Well said!