Just delete this if it falls out of the boundaries of good taste, but i was wondering -why is it illegal to pay someone to have sex with you (prostitution), but totally legal to pay them to have sex with someone else (pornography)? How does the morality of one essentially differ from the other?
and while i'm thinking about it, how come its legal to attempt suicide, amputate your own arms or harm yourself in any similar way, but completely illegal to use drugs on yourself, even when the degree of harm they inflict is totally questionable?
these are total "monkey laws". they attempt to impose morality on people in aspects of life where the government should have no business interfering.
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Its illegal to try to commit suicide in america<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">and while i'm thinking about it, how come its legal to attempt suicide, amputate your own arms or harm yourself in any similar way, but completely illegal to use drugs on yourself, even when the degree of harm they inflict is totally questionable?
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Prostitution is legal (or at least tolerated) across most of Europe. Chew on this, yesterday in some stupid show on TV they showed a stripper from the UK, and she deducted her breast-enlargement off taxes. I don't remember if they actually let her do that though, 'cause I was busy with my comp.
About suicide and drugs: if you take drugs, there's the possibility of endangering others while you're under the influence. Usually when you commit suicide, you don't hurt others. If you do, you get prosecuted as well (if you survive the attempt, that is). The question should be "why is alcohol legal and THC not?"
About suicide and drugs: if you take drugs, there's the possibility of endangering others while you're under the influence. Usually when you commit suicide, you don't hurt others. If you do, you get prosecuted as well (if you survive the attempt, that is). The question should be "why is alcohol legal and THC not?"
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IMO, Porno is legal cause they do it the right way usually, STD Tests etc.... To make sure nothing gets spread, Unlike Prostitiution where MANY Stds get spread around.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jayyy:
Just delete this if it falls out of the boundaries of good taste, but i was wondering -why is it illegal to pay someone to have sex with you (prostitution), but totally legal to pay them to have sex with someone else (pornography)? How does the morality of one essentially differ from the other?
and while i'm thinking about it, how come its legal to attempt suicide, amputate your own arms or harm yourself in any similar way, but completely illegal to use drugs on yourself, even when the degree of harm they inflict is totally questionable?
these are total "monkey laws". they attempt to impose morality on people in aspects of life where the government should have no business interfering.
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"how come its legal to attempt suicide, amputate your own arms or harm yourself in any similar way, but completely illegal to use drugs on yourself"
IMO Again, doing those things (Suicide, amputate your arms etc...) Is ONLY Causing harm to yourself, where if you take drugs your not 100% In control and can harm others... When your on mad drugs, you dont think right. Ive heard many people harming others while on drugs like on the news and stuff. If your suicidale USUALLY your not of any danger to anyone but yourself.
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If you're self-employed and you spend money on your business (i.e. her body) it's tax deductable.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SeedOfChaos:
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-why is it illegal to pay someone to have sex with you (prostitution), but totally legal to pay them to have sex with someone else (pornography)?
There's a huge difference between watching people have sex on a tv screen than the actual act itself w/ a live person. For one, you can't get venerial diseases from a tv monitor!
Prostitutes and porn stars are similar in that both are usually of low ethical & moral standards in most areas of life. Whether or not the films or hooking is leagal or not makes no difference as these people usually are involved in other criminal activities.
Morals & laws are nothing more than "agreed upon codes of conduct". They are developed by societies as needed to curtail & prevent it's members from harming themselves, others & property.
Wanna know something interesting? Remember the Puritans? They were written about in history books as a society of righteous & God fearing people, a society of law biding citizens that could do no wrong. Humbug & bullpoop!
They had the wackiest laws & moral codes around. Why did they have all those crazy laws? Because people in that society were doing those things! A lot too!
Wanna find out how ethical & moral any society is or was, just examine the laws that exist or existed. Laws & moral codes don't get developed & enforced UNLESS there is a need for them, ie the people are doing the things that the laws are about!
There's a huge difference between watching people have sex on a tv screen than the actual act itself w/ a live person. For one, you can't get venerial diseases from a tv monitor!
Prostitutes and porn stars are similar in that both are usually of low ethical & moral standards in most areas of life. Whether or not the films or hooking is leagal or not makes no difference as these people usually are involved in other criminal activities.
Morals & laws are nothing more than "agreed upon codes of conduct". They are developed by societies as needed to curtail & prevent it's members from harming themselves, others & property.
Wanna know something interesting? Remember the Puritans? They were written about in history books as a society of righteous & God fearing people, a society of law biding citizens that could do no wrong. Humbug & bullpoop!
They had the wackiest laws & moral codes around. Why did they have all those crazy laws? Because people in that society were doing those things! A lot too!
Wanna find out how ethical & moral any society is or was, just examine the laws that exist or existed. Laws & moral codes don't get developed & enforced UNLESS there is a need for them, ie the people are doing the things that the laws are about!
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yeah, but thats not the point. if i'm caught in a hotel room doing it with a woman who's got hundred dollar bills stuffed down her bra thats against the law. if i'm caught in a hotal room videotaping someone else doing it with a woman who's got hundred dollar bills stuffed down her bra and i show the cops my business card for sleazebag productions ltd, i'm totally within the law's boundaries. whats up with that?<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TonyT:
-why is it illegal to pay someone to have sex with you (prostitution), but totally legal to pay them to have sex with someone else (pornography)?
There's a huge difference between watching people have sex on a tv screen than the actual act itself w/ a live person. For one, you can't get venerial diseases from a tv monitor!
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i don't agree about what you were saying about the law proving the transgression. the law is just an indicator of how much the society tolerates it. we don't have any laws against adultery, but i'll bet today theres far more adultery per capita than the puritans had. the big diff is that we just don't care as much as they did, so we don't make legislation to prevent it.
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If she was from the netherlands they probably did let her. now that strippers pay taxes it only seems fair they get deductions for business expenses.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SeedOfChaos:
Chew on this, yesterday in some stupid show on TV they showed a stripper from the UK, and she deducted her breast-enlargement off taxes. I don't remember if they actually let her do that though, 'cause I was busy with my comp.
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....we don't have any laws against adultery,
We sure do! It is illegal, but not it is not enforced too much due to the difficulty in proving it. It is a civil offense, not a criminal offense.
....the big diff is that we just don't care as much as they did, so we don't make legislation to prevent it.
I agree, this society today is worse than any previous civilization on Earth to date. We have the wackiest laws too!
Legislation is NEVER made prior to a need for it or when the society's indicators show a need for some type of control or change. The "immoralities" always come first.
This subject often gets confusing & misunderstood due to the compalacent definitions of morals & ethics in the dictionaries. Ethics can be defined as the contemplation of optimum survival, whereas morals are just laws or rules.
Inherently, a being doesn't need morals to guide him. A person knows the difference between right & wrong, or a better way to say it would be the difference between helping or harming oneself, others & other things.
Moral laws are created for those individuals that have demonstrated that they cannot be ethical on their own, or they have failed to be ethical. Our current moral codes & laws are based on the Biblical theory that man is born with sin & is Basically "bad". He must be trained to be good. I don't believe that one bit!
The present justice system has been moving more & more towards a "no one is responsable" state. This is due to falsehoods that exist about "man and what makes him tick" that get promoted by the psychologists & psychiatrists as well as the lawyers that excel in "getting people off" for obvious crimes against society.
As for the porno in the hotel room, well that may or may not be legal. What diference does it make anyway? The real issue is "is this an ethical endeavor for the one who is doing it?". In other words, if you wanna get a ho, it's your decision. But what is it that prevents the person from being able to have a meaningful relationship with someone, w/ sex too, to begin with? You see, the cat has some other problems that precede his decision to get a ho.
....they attempt to impose morality on people in aspects of life where the government should have no business interfering.
This is so true! There are many screwed up laws & rules we have to live with. Some govt. groups, not necessarily entire parties, have the idea that we need to be "controlled for the better". But by who's book of rules? And by who's reality? I'll tell you who's: The generalality that is the Americam Middle Class. There is this seemingly large group of "what America wants for America" but it is not an organized group of people. It's whatever the spin doctors say & then gets used by politicians to "better us".
ok, I'm starting to lose track here............time to move on......
We sure do! It is illegal, but not it is not enforced too much due to the difficulty in proving it. It is a civil offense, not a criminal offense.
....the big diff is that we just don't care as much as they did, so we don't make legislation to prevent it.
I agree, this society today is worse than any previous civilization on Earth to date. We have the wackiest laws too!
Legislation is NEVER made prior to a need for it or when the society's indicators show a need for some type of control or change. The "immoralities" always come first.
This subject often gets confusing & misunderstood due to the compalacent definitions of morals & ethics in the dictionaries. Ethics can be defined as the contemplation of optimum survival, whereas morals are just laws or rules.
Inherently, a being doesn't need morals to guide him. A person knows the difference between right & wrong, or a better way to say it would be the difference between helping or harming oneself, others & other things.
Moral laws are created for those individuals that have demonstrated that they cannot be ethical on their own, or they have failed to be ethical. Our current moral codes & laws are based on the Biblical theory that man is born with sin & is Basically "bad". He must be trained to be good. I don't believe that one bit!
The present justice system has been moving more & more towards a "no one is responsable" state. This is due to falsehoods that exist about "man and what makes him tick" that get promoted by the psychologists & psychiatrists as well as the lawyers that excel in "getting people off" for obvious crimes against society.
As for the porno in the hotel room, well that may or may not be legal. What diference does it make anyway? The real issue is "is this an ethical endeavor for the one who is doing it?". In other words, if you wanna get a ho, it's your decision. But what is it that prevents the person from being able to have a meaningful relationship with someone, w/ sex too, to begin with? You see, the cat has some other problems that precede his decision to get a ho.
....they attempt to impose morality on people in aspects of life where the government should have no business interfering.
This is so true! There are many screwed up laws & rules we have to live with. Some govt. groups, not necessarily entire parties, have the idea that we need to be "controlled for the better". But by who's book of rules? And by who's reality? I'll tell you who's: The generalality that is the Americam Middle Class. There is this seemingly large group of "what America wants for America" but it is not an organized group of people. It's whatever the spin doctors say & then gets used by politicians to "better us".
ok, I'm starting to lose track here............time to move on......
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I did not know! Thats new news to me! hehe....i'm learning new things everyday...just like every other person on this earth! lol<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ssjDoh:
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darling you still pay for it(dinner,drinks,hotel,plane tickets)...less your very cheap...check the venereal clinics on your way out...have a nice day<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fanta:
The question should be...
Why would any respectable man pay for sex when he could get it for free???
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Well gee one wouldn't have to worry about all that if they had a girlfriend/hubby/boyfriend/wife
No worries about STDs(in a decent relationship)...
No worries about breaking the law
You don't have to go fetch the wallet after a long night
You actually care about each other
Sounds like a good concept to me
Most men don't look to highly upon overly materialistic women... they make men cringe
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No worries about STDs(in a decent relationship)...
No worries about breaking the law
You don't have to go fetch the wallet after a long night
You actually care about each other
Sounds like a good concept to me
Most men don't look to highly upon overly materialistic women... they make men cringe
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Well in my part of town they take you in for shyciatric(sp?) ( man I suck at spelling) evaluation for trying to commit suicide. Minimum of 72 hours... You dont go to jail!( if your the only one involed of course)<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SeedOfChaos:
WTF is up with that?!?!? I mean, if they actually punish you for trying, the world will look even shittier to you, and you'd have even more reason to do it again!?!?!?
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Unless of course the guy has health insurance, in which case they keep him until it runs out! That's the nature of the psychiatric business! Milk the insurance companies while never really doing anything for the poor souls who have stuck images in their minds of Martians & FBI agents!<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Well in my part of town they take you in for shyciatric(sp?) ( man I suck at spelling) evaluation for trying to commit suicide. Minimum of 72 hours... You dont go to jail!( if your the only one involed of course)</font>
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Wee,
M87 is correct. At least with a prostitute you get a promise of service. <snicker>
Tony,
The prostitution laws in the US are another artifact of the puritanic system of colonial America.
A more interesting fact. States do not have a uniform laws regarding the "creation" of pornography. California has very liberal laws. In Pennsylvania, the film's "owner" must be in the shoot. In Georgia, taping acts of oral or anal intercourse is tantamount to offering the courts proof that you are in violation of sodomy laws. Mind you, these laws are seldomenforced.
M87 is correct. At least with a prostitute you get a promise of service. <snicker>
Tony,
The prostitution laws in the US are another artifact of the puritanic system of colonial America.
A more interesting fact. States do not have a uniform laws regarding the "creation" of pornography. California has very liberal laws. In Pennsylvania, the film's "owner" must be in the shoot. In Georgia, taping acts of oral or anal intercourse is tantamount to offering the courts proof that you are in violation of sodomy laws. Mind you, these laws are seldomenforced.
Jay, I basically agree with Tony: the laws are made as we go. Adultery is illegal in MA since the 18th century. The law has not been enforced. Alcohol is legal now, but it was not seventy years ago. It is not legal in many countries now. War crimes became crimes after the victors said so. Bribes are illegal as such but when called “political contributions”, they are legal. Non-reporting of crime is legal in the U.S., but is illegal in many countries. New laws criminalizing certain activities are adopted almost daily. Write to your representative with your proposals, perhaps something will be changed.
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i was just making fun...i thought you were meaning picking a girl up in a bar...or just a date...your now talking about emotional ties...which is totally different...<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fanta:
Well gee one wouldn't have to worry about all that if they had a girlfriend/hubby/boyfriend/wife
No worries about STDs(in a decent relationship)...
No worries about breaking the law
You don't have to go fetch the wallet after a long night
You actually care about each other
Sounds like a good concept to me
Most men don't look to highly upon overly materialistic women... they make men cringe
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i'm not overly materialistic...i do like the nice things in life...most ppl do...my b/f fav saying about me is one i'm child like and no one else could afford me...we all lead different lives...maybe it's payback time and i shall give him lots of babies....
wee 96 i don't need you to tell me i'm an idiot...it dawn on me the other day...any way you know i love you *kisses*