Any tweaking advice?

Ryude · Post by **Ryude** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:22 pm

MTU = 1500
MTU is fully optimized for broadband.
MSS = 1460
Maximum useful data in each packet = 1460, which equals MSS.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 29200
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 29200

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
513920 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
256960 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
128480 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
64240 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1168 kbps (146 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 467.2 kbps (58.4 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 55 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 00000000

WinXP Pro SP1

Charter Cable - 2000/128

DSLR speed test - 1887.03/138kbps

I would like to know if there is anything i can do to make gaming smoother? and if not what else can i do?

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:25 pm

Ur speeds are pretty good.

Ryude · Post by **Ryude** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:41 pm

but when i try to tracert all i get is *** request timed out and when i play a game i get a major choke/loss of packets.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:04 pm

With gamming there is nothing you can do other then sometimes patching the game helps but not always.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:40 am

FYI

There are still some ISP's out there that have blocked ICMP due to the Blaster worm... Check to see if the gaming server is hosted nationally or internationally | If internationally, the chances are you're pings are timing out due to blockage of the ICMP protocol.

Now- as far as tweaking you're pinging times | I rewired my DSL lines from the ISP and boy has it saved me about 30 ms... Average's about 15~20 ms @ all times.

If that could be performed and the lines are accessible without getting yourself in trouble then do it- remember to use a 24 gauge ethernet cable and not 26.

Is the computer connected directly to the NET?

tekki

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:46 am

Oh yeah almost forgot- Try to delete all your cablenut tweaks and reset your MTU to nil (blank space)... let XP or Windows 2000 handle the TCP stack without any mods...

It worked for some gaming servers..

Post your results after doing that- But please backup your settings before doing so

Cheerio,

tekki

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:50 am

Tekki go back to dsl reports my lord delte cablenut tweaks rofl you can't tweak latency period. Cablenut has nothing to do with latency on the line nothing at all. With gaming there is nothing you could but rewire pick a close server that's it.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:02 am

R u being sarcastic- cause it surely sounds like you are...

What??? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:05 am

NO I'm being honest you can't tweak gamming period. Ping is a seperate protocol which Icmp as you probably knew your default recive window or any other setting in tcpip won't change the ping or latency on the line .

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:09 am

Originally posted by mccoffee
NO I'm being honest you can't tweak gamming period. Ping is a seperate protocol which Icmp as you probably knew your default recive window or any other setting in tcpip won't change the ping or latency on the line .

Did I offer any solution that relates to tweaking pings/icmp/ or anything else for that matter- NOOOOOOO

All I did was to bring up the rewiring technique- Here, I just bought you a pair of glasses :2cool:

Hope you like them...

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:11 am

Originally posted by tekki
Oh yeah almost forgot- Try to delete all your cablenut tweaks and reset your MTU to nil (blank space)... let XP or Windows 2000 handle the TCP stack without any mods...

It worked for some gaming servers..

Post your results after doing that- But please backup your settings before doing so

Cheerio,

tekki

That's what you said in line B delet cablenut tweaks has nothing to do with improving gamming nothing at all.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:12 am

Oh yeah- Almost forgot.... Cablenut isn't always perfect and people on here could atest to that.

Furthermore, it's called cablenut originally designed for cable connections- some values in there could have adverse effects on DSL connections

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:14 am

Show me any white paper or technical document about cablenut screwing up a connections any I'll read it and take into consideration. I can't help it if people are getting 90 percent of there connections with cablenut that's an adverse effect huh.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:15 am

some values in there could have adverse effects on DSL connections

Which ones and please state with white paper saying adverse effects.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:19 am

MaxFreeTcbs
MaxNormLookupMemory
FastSendDatagramThreshhold
MaxHashTableSize

Satisfied!!!

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:20 am

No where in a white paper and or technical document that states that.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:32 am

Originally posted by mccoffee
Show me any white paper or technical document about cablenut screwing up a connections any I'll read it and take into consideration. I can't help it if people are getting 90 percent of there connections with cablenut that's an adverse effect huh.

You know what??? Just to get my point through - I will start a thread about this... and lets leave it to the users to decide.

BTW, I said some connections - I am getting 98 percent of my connection without any tweaks - but after tweaking it would drop down to 88~90

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:32 am

Ok you can't find in a white paper can you read???

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:34 am

http://secinf.net/info/nt/2000ip/tcpipimp.html here is the link point it out wise one.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:43 am

Buddy, Mate, Pal , Amigo, Comrad or whatever you want to be referred to as-

EXAMPLE

Microsoft comes up with XP- now do you think that's XP's white papers would have all the defects/enhancements listed on there... or is it through use|trial and error that you really get acquainted with a piece of software...

Do you think all DSLAMS, ATMS, bla bla bla are the same??? I dare not think so.... Connections differ from Region to Region- To Equipment, to platforms, to the physical layers, to the hardware to the software and so on... Having said that- I based my reply on the fact that it COULD be cablenut that is causing the lag- when it comes to gaming... Alot of users out there have purchased PC's and have not tweaked, and they're not complaining when playing online games... Do they still need cablenut for the so called extra stability? NAH don't think so...

Wise one, please learn to relate this to that- For if you don't, then I guess you need to get certified again...

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:50 am

Having said that- I based my reply on the fact that it COULD be cablenut that is causing the lag- when it comes to gaming... Alot of users out there have purchased PC's and have not tweaked, and they're not complaining when playing online games... Do they still need cablenut for the so called extra stability? NAH don't think so...

It could be yeah right It doesn't matter if you have cablenut or not lag is lag it's from the dsl/cable line node/co etc etc cablenut has nothing to do with ping/latency that is only controled by line and quality of line.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:06 am

Originally posted by mccoffee

It could be yeah right It doesn't matter if you have cablenut or not lag is lag it's from the dsl/cable line node/co etc etc cablenut has nothing to do with ping/latency that is only controled by line and quality of line.

I didn't say that cablenut could have adverse effects on PING/LATENCY but what cablenut could do with these advanced settings is choke the connection - NOT ALL PCS / ROUTERS CAN HANDLE SUCH TWEAKING especially when you have an ISP that sucks... So having said that- plz plz plz, Accept the fact that cablenut isn't perfect just like any other software out there...

You remind me of someone I knew @ school... sooooooooooooooooooooo stubborn... and yeah, one more thing-You're the one that brought up the "Words of Widsom" thingy... so Mr. wiseguy, don't live by the white papers- live by what your eyes see, your hands touch and your brains compute... THE END

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:08 am

NOT ALL PCS / ROUTERS CAN HANDLE SUCH TWEAKING especially when you have an ISP that sucks... So having said that- plz plz plz, Accept the fact that cablenut isn't perfect just like any other software out there...

Yes you did you said it could have adverse effects on gamming you are such a hippocrate.

There is nothing wrong with cablenut nothing at all and yes if you have an isp that sucks any rwin would give you bad effects

NOT ALL PCS / ROUTERS CAN HANDLE SUCH TWEAKING especially when you have an ISP that sucks... So having said that- plz plz plz

Also router/pc specs have nothing to do with internet performance nothing at all.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:15 am

READ WHAT I TYPED BEFORE ANSWERING OR SIGN UP FOR ENGLISH 101..

Loosen up and READ pal.... before answering,,,, for the sake of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE...

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:17 am

You remind me of someone I knew @ school... sooooooooooooooooooooo stubborn... and yeah, one more thing-You're the one that brought up the "Words of Widsom" thingy... so Mr. wiseguy, don't live by the white papers- live by what your eyes see, your hands touch and your brains compute... THE END

Rofl don't live by white papers what everyone should just belive you and not the key to all tcpip properties that microsoft wrote for the protocol they created.

j79zlr · Post by **j79zlr** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:17 am

Cablenut works just fine for DSL, anything saying otherwise is wrong, yes these setting can affect DSL users but is very rare

MaxFreeTcbs
MaxNormLookupMemory
FastSendDatagramThreshhold
MaxHashTableSize

that said, tekki, do you have a point? Most people come here because their connection is not working properly and 95% of the time they are using no tweaks and the default XP settings. I can find thousands of posts with happy results to a handful of the ones where cablenut slowed them down or they complain about about ping changing (eventhough cablenut had nothing to do with it).

Ping is usually affected by things out of the end users control like the equipment their ISP is using. Rewiring to the NID is about the only thing the home user can do. There is no registry setting that is going to affect ping, that is ridiculous, ping is 100% directly related to hardware and nothing else.

Of course not all setups are the same, but what the hell does that have to do with anything other than some ISPs have better equipment, line quality and therefore better ping times.

If you don't want to tweak anything then what are you doing here?

j79zlr · Post by **j79zlr** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:21 am

NOT ALL PCS / ROUTERS CAN HANDLE SUCH TWEAKING especially when you have an ISP that sucks

???

That makes no sense. Details please.

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:26 am

Originally posted by j79zlr
Cablenut works just fine for DSL, anything saying otherwise is wrong, yes these setting can affect DSL users but is very rare

MaxFreeTcbs
MaxNormLookupMemory
FastSendDatagramThreshhold
MaxHashTableSize

that said, tekki, do you have a point? Most people come here because their connection is not working properly and 95% of the time they are using no tweaks and the default XP settings. I can find thousands of posts with happy results to a handful of the ones where cablenut slowed them down or they complain about about ping changing (eventhough cablenut had nothing to do with it).

Ping is usually affected by things out of the end users control like the equipment their ISP is using. Rewiring to the NID is about the only thing the home user can do. There is no registry setting that is going to affect ping, that is ridiculous, ping is 100% directly related to hardware and nothing else.

Of course not all setups are the same, but what the hell does that have to do with anything other than some ISPs have better equipment, line quality and therefore better ping times.

If you don't want to tweak anything then what are you doing here?

You are absolutely right... I'm with you on that and that's what I HAVE been trying to get through to the wise one... If you would carefully read my first 2 posts you would noticed nothing mentioned about tweaking the pinging times except for the rewiring technique... for crying out loud- I AM talking about the connection itself... and those values I mentioned- brought down my connection from a 98% performance level to an 88~90 so 1 + 1 = 2 and not eleven... Its no brainer, its common logic- and I repeat, I DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT CABLENUT AFFECTING THE PINGING TIMES... BUT WHAT I DID SAY WAS THAT SOME SETTINGS IN CABLENUT COULD HAVE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON DSL CONNECTIONS AND SO I RECOMMENDED TO TRY DELETING THE TWEAKS...

That's all...

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:27 am

Oh yeah almost forgot- Try to delete all your cablenut tweaks and reset your MTU to nil (blank space)... let XP or Windows 2000 handle the TCP stack without any mods...

It worked for some gaming servers..

Post your results after doing that- But please backup your settings before doing so

Cheerio,

tekki · Post by **tekki** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:32 am

As in an Untweaked PC... You're such a cry baby,,, Still can't read ay- If the gaming server was overseas and you configured cablenut for nationwide access then you are going to have problems.... A lag and a drop in performance...

I have nothing more to say to you... So leave it to that

Post by **Philip** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 9:58 am

1. Mccoffee, some people refer to latency, RTT, delay as "ping", that does not necessarily refer to ICMP ping, rather the delay.

2. MTU size has effect on ping, larger packets take longer to travel, as detailed in my editorial here: http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=111

So then tweaking can have some effect on latency... Although minimal.

With all that said, you guys sould probably drop the flame wars, it's getting ridiculous. There is no reason to attack someone for their opinion. If you'd like to start a mature, open minded discussion I'm all for it, this thread is being closed.